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I don’t believe there is any coherent moral argument against piracy in the face of such hostile tactics from media companies.

Of course there is. Pirating streaming media isn’t like stealing bread to feed your starving family, it’s entirely optional. If you don’t agree with the terms of service (i.e. DRM) then don’t use the service. Deciding on your own terms of service is just entitlement. I personally don’t care either way but you can’t say there is no argument against it.

You don't need a justification (like feeding your family) for something that isn't unethical in the first place.

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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Seems like a pretty strong case for a Pihole setup. Short of network level fixes or loader swapping, is the best solution a dumb (disconnected TV) and a STB like AppleTV or Roku?

I dont think a Pi-hole would work for this, because google serves the ads from the same location as the content (the same reason pi-hole can't block youtube ads)

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The worst part is that google is abusing its power to limit people choices. They are enforcing terms on their phone partners that if they want Android (their only choice), they have to not use Fire OS or other Android forks on any device they make. You can read more here - https://www.protocol.com/google-android-amazon-fire-tv The fact that they use the monopoly power on the phone to force Manufacturers to use Androi…

Don’t be evil?

... evil is what we say is evil.

That's the context - they can't do evil, by definition! (By circular definition, sure.)

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It's getting harder and harder to not switch to Apple for both a premium phone and a premium digital media player.

I've always had a Pixel phone, and (since 2015), the Shield TV Pro. It seems like Google is actively trying to lose. They didn't make a premium Pixel last year, and they've never made a premium digital media player. Rather than being grateful for Nvidia building the premium device they couldn't, they're actively ruining it. I get having ads on a >$50 device, but not on the $200 Shield TV.

Who's running things at Google?

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You know what else can give you a smooth, ad-free experience and freedom ? Any cheap mini-pc with Kodi installed.

Yeah, but can it do that out-of-the-box with zero effort for the rest of my family? Sadly, no. Futzing with Kodi updates, patches, updates to the OS, drivers, etc is all way too much to be considered ’smooth’ for most.

We've got a RPi running https://osmc.tv/ (based around Kodi) - other than pressing yes to install updates every so often it hasn't needed touching. There might even be an auto update at 1am type option.

It only gets used for local media + radio, twitch and youtube streams though - I don't know about other services.

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LG WebOs does the same thing. I haven’t accepted the eula and stream from my Apple TV. However, a friend of mines wife did and now he has ads everywhere on it. I don’t understand how this is so normalized? You actively have to work in order to block ads and trackers today. Its getting harder everyday. It’s so sad we have some of our worlds best engineers working on how to send ads to people. Our priorities are whack.

Samsung's TV also put ads in the menu. I blocked them using Nextdns, at least that still works.

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- "Smart" alarm clock requires micropayment to use snooze. And they say: "Why not? We indicated in the TOS (on page 4) our ability to 'modify the program as needed to better support our customers or our services.' "Also please note that our TOS, which incorporates our Privacy Policy, allows us to sell your wake-up time to third parties in real-time. "And before you say you never agreed to our TOS, we say you did when…

They wouldn't need to bury that in the TOS; they'd make it a feature: "Our innovative pay-to-snooze feature helps you get up earlier by penalizing you for hitting the snooze button"

That's already a feature on some smartphone alarms. However, it requires opt-in and usual payment verification - if I want to spend my money on snooze, and specifically authorize this, there's no problem at all.

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That's great, until they stop making the ad free version. It's like TVs, there are no high end ad free TVs now.

Interesting, I did some quick Googling and was able to find a good handful of 2020 models with no ads, but none for 2021. I'll take your word for it that they don't exist, but the fact that this is the first year where that appears to be the case is not strong evidence to me that this is the steady-state of the TV market.

You make a good point that it might not be the steady state of the display market, but I think it is for the majority of TVs today.

As alternatives, you can buy commercial displays that are effectively TVs (with HDMI in), however they lag in specs and lack some features. You can also buy hospitality versions of TVs as 'dumb' TVs for a similar price, but these also tend to have lower specs. You can buy large format computer monitors (55" is about the highest I've seen) but they are substantially more expensive (roughly 3x more expensive) and typically use DisplayPort instead of HDMI.

I only learned about the options because I'm looking to replace my 2013 Plasma TV that has a power supply problem.

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The big issue with major OS updates for me is that the security updates are bundled with the feature updates. That's why updating Android on my old phone stopped being feasable, when the increased performance requirements caused it to remain persistently hot and unresponsive. Not just the security updates, but also things like APIs that prevent some applications from being compatible. Still, I have to wonder how much…

To be clear Android the operating system offers targeted security updates. The device manufactures prefers to package them with feature updates. I guess it doesn’t matter for users.

Aren't many core components now taken care of by the Google Play Services library that's updated separately to avoid carriers and manufacturers from delaying critical security updates because they need to package and test these with all their bloatware crap?

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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I ran into this last week on my nvidia shield. Here's a summary of the workaround I found (apologies for not having the specific package names offhand): 1. Install a new launcher from play store (I found one called "Basic Launcher" that matches the aesthetics of the default one). This doesn't solve the problem though, because Google disabled changing the default launcher for some user hostile reason, until you delete…

Do you know of any Android TV / smart tv box which has a USB port? I am currently building a magic mirror like smart map. Basically, the goal is to have a big touchscreen with Google maps or Google earth running. For touch screen support I bought a cheap USB infrared frame. I have tested it with the USB C port of my Android phone and it works well, but I have sadly not found any Android TV box which has an USB port.

> Do you know of any Android TV / smart tv box which has a USB port?

Build your own with a Raspberry Pi. The new ones pack quite some heat in terms of performance.

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