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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by TX0098812 »

werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Maybe I just have the same distorted perspective... but isn't Palestine still denying Israels right to exist?

There seems to be a major campaign right now by Palestinians and their supporters (and other people who don't like Jews which strongly correlates with Israelis) to portray them only as innocent victims, but that seems disingenuous if, assuming it's correct, wiping out Israel is still policy.

Edit: Oh the irony, I've been both downvoted and flagged. Something something blackout. Hypocrites.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by slipframe »

DoctorNick wrote: post #28
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Americans are more prone to this kind of thing because they're already used to overriding settler-colonial propaganda influencing their mindset; Zionist propaganda is just another flavor.

Lots of countries have similar sorts of histories I think; while I'm sure what you say is part of the equation, I think it doesn't fully explain why Americans are much more likely to support Israel than people in other countries (for instance, Australia.) I think another piece of this puzzle is the popularity of Evangelical Christianity in America, particularly Christian Zionism and the belief that the state of Israel is a necessary precondition for the return of their Messiah. That's the sort of rhetoric I was raised with anyway.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by rayiner »

werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews.

Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being held in near-slavery conditions in Qatar. (More Bangladeshi workers have died in the Middle East since 2010 than Palestinians killed in the conflict with Israel since 1947.) They don’t care about the Rohingya. They don’t care what Saudi is doing in Yemen. They’re very friendly with China and don’t care about Uighurs. But everyone has an opinion on how Israel is oppressing Palestine.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by TX0098812 »

Animats wrote: post #33

A few years ago, criticism of Israel's policies started being called anti-antisemitism.[1] That made it OK to censor criticism of Israel. Israel's policies got more divisive under 12 years of Netanyahu, and there's more reason to be critical of them. Those two trends are in collision. [1] https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/criticism-of-israel-is-anti-...

> A few years ago, criticism of Israel's policies started being called anti-antisemitism

It is often the case. Take a peek anywhere neo-nazis gather. As far as I can tell, they've realized that while they're getting nowhere attacking Jews, they are able to effectively attack the Jewish state.

It works, I think, because it's a David and Goliath type story and everyone tends to root for the underdog (even when it's trying its best to murder random civilians).

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by aaronchall »

dang wrote: post #8
valparaiso wrote: post #4

Some questions from non-american from Eastern Europe: 1. Why Palestinians celebrated 9/11 attacks on civilians 2. Why Palestinians teach to kill Israelis from the kindergarten 3. Why Palestinians support ISIS and generally jihadists who behead kids/women/elderly people

Please don't take HN threads directly into nationalistic/religious/racial flamewar hell. That's exactly the opposite of what this site is for—regardless of how difficult the topic is. A topic being difficult just not justify setting it immediately on fire. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: please stop posting ideological/etc. flamewar comments to HN generally. You've done it repeatedly, and we ba…

He raises fair points on this highly controversial subject. If we're to give this matter a fair hearing, we need to put all the relevant facts on the table. Maybe there was a nicer way for him to put these facts, but that doesn't invalidate them.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by TX0098812 »

crooked-v wrote: post #27
underseacables wrote: post #16

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Peace is unlikely as long as settlers continue to claim Palestinean land and force them out of their own homes, considering what an obvious mockery this makes of any kind of negotiations even for those Palestineans who do actively want peace.

And similarly peace isn't possible while the wall is there. Although the reason it was built was because there wasn't peace. And so on about a thousand years back.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by bsd44 »

People seem to believe that if you bury your head in the sand, nobody can see you. Just because you don't talk about something openly it does not imply that the discussion doesn't happen at all. It happens in closed circles which just fuels the hatred towards the censorship and those who enforce it. You can't forbid people to think and have opinions. What is the point of flagging this entry? You either introduce a policy that forbids posting political issues on HN entirely or you don't, selection makes you a hypocrite.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by xupybd »

rayiner wrote: post #43
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…

This is what war has done in almost every conflict. The enemy is a monster so attacking the monster justifies far too much.
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