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Reddit’s disrespectful design

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Re: Reddit’s disrespectful design

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Shhh! Keep it quiet, or else reddit might remember that exists and kill it.

Kinda afraid of this at this point. I honestly have no idea how they can get away with the non-old version of the website which is one of the most unstable pieces of shit I've ever seen.

There is probably a special floor in hell where middle-managers roll around grating "in-no-vate!".

Re: Reddit’s disrespectful design

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Here's how reddit's business model probably works: you have power users which create or submit the content and write the witty comments and then you have the lurkers which just browse. what reddit is trying to monetize is the interaction with the latter user group: comments provide little space to promote ads, so most of them are hidden by default. instead they promote lots of posts with images interspersed with ads.…

You left out the moderators. Some of what they do is useful tending of communities, but some of what they do is provide free labor that addresses a hard problem.

Indeed, content moderation is the single hardest problem on the internet right now, and every big tech company is struggling with it. From Youtube to Twitch to Twitter to Facebook, etc. Reddit, while not perfect, has done relatively well, but as you mention it's all on the back of volunteer unpaid moderators. I'm surprised they haven't yet setup any sort of revenue sharing with large popular subs.

Re: Reddit’s disrespectful design

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post #305

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One of the ways to measure long term impact is through the use of a golden cohort that is never opted into experiments. Unsurprisingly, I could not get this work prioritized on the roadmap. We also worked with growth consultants (read: Bay Area B2C product leads) in scoping out some of these ideas. We accrued what I call "product debt" where we launch the MVP but never followed up to polish the feature[0] as they don…

Yeah, golden cohorts can work, but they are really hard to pull off, especially for logged out traffic (which is where you'd use most of these patterns anyway). Good luck tracking me over 6-24 months across different devices and locations. And cross-contamination is hard to prevent (for instance, the golden cohort might suffer from global effects like worse content due to loss of power users or even from stumbling ac…

The person who created Twitter's experimentation platform is also at Reddit, and heavily influenced Reddit's experiment design and review process.

But yes, a revolving door of product leaders and decisions is going to bias towards short term optimization.

Re: Reddit’s disrespectful design

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post #91

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If you access Reddit via https://old.reddit.com it's always the better UI. Bonus is that this works even if you're not signed in. There's a handy browser extension for automatically redirecting you if you click a link to Reddit's other domains: https://github.com/tom-james-watson/old-reddit-redirect If you'd like to disable custom subreddit styles even if you're not signed in, you can add these custom filters to uBlo…

> If you access Reddit via https://old.reddit.com it's always the better UI This is an assumption that I'd had until I read feedback from users who joined reddit after introduction of the new reddit design, that old reddit web interface is ugly. Well, I think reddit knows better than us. They have the data!

That's the whole plan, keep the old interface around (along with power users) until the new user population (who only knows the new interface) grows large enough to be able to get rid of the old interface without getting a full Digg-like exodus.

Re: Reddit’s disrespectful design

#395

My solution for good reddit browsing: * Use the Reddit Enhancement Suite browser extension, and customize to your liking. * Set it to permanent old.reddit.com mode, so all reddit links immediately go there. * Only browse reddit on mobile using one of several third-party apps, like Relay (my preference), Boost, or Apollo. * Extensively tailor your subreddit selection to weed out the garbage. Most if not all of the def…

redreader is awesome as an android reddit client

rif and baconreader too.

Re: Reddit’s disrespectful design

#396

Fully agree with everything in TFA. I'm an occasional Reddit user, and almost exclusively a lurker. But over the past few years they have been making it more and more intolerable to use, especially on mobile. The most recent things have been blocking you completely from subreddits, and blocking you completely from threads below the second level (you hit "read more", and get a popup). And beside the many dark patterns…

change the url from www to old.reddit.com and you can bypass most of the bullshit. Question is how long it'll last.

Thanks, this does seem to work! It's a PITA to change the URL every time I click a Google search result that hits Reddit, but it's better than dealing with all the bullshit Reddit throws at me.

Re: Reddit’s disrespectful design

#397

Fully agree with everything in TFA. I'm an occasional Reddit user, and almost exclusively a lurker. But over the past few years they have been making it more and more intolerable to use, especially on mobile. The most recent things have been blocking you completely from subreddits, and blocking you completely from threads below the second level (you hit "read more", and get a popup). And beside the many dark patterns…

Yes and: I just don't understand reddit's UI. I'd probably use the subreddit's I join a lot more if their forum features were more like HN & lobsters. > ...it does a full page reload, now showing you only that subthread! Some times expands in place, some times link to new page. Since I can't predict what will happen, I rarely drill down into threads. I lurk on r/awww and the like. (Mental therapy during the apocolyps…

> Some times expands in place, some times link to new page

Yes, you're right actually, and in a way it's worse than always loading a new page, simply because it's so unpredictable. I mean... who the hell thinks this stuff up?

Hadn't heard of the Reddit Enhancement Suite - if it drops some of the bullshit, I'll happily give it a try.

As an aside, I also started out on CompuServe, towards the late 90s! I was on dialup of course, but I actually used to love the CompuServe UI! When Netscape Navigator showed up and the World Wide Web was just starting to become a thing, I remember thinking it was a bit shit: "wtf is going to want this when CompuServe is available?!". Didn't I turn out to be so, so wrong!

Re: Reddit’s disrespectful design

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> power users complain—and still continue using the site—but the casual user does not. This was the exact situation digg just before the mass migration to reddit happened.

They've been fairly clever having their cake and eating it too with old/new reddit UI. They're basically cultivating a whole new userbase that only knows the new UI, while still keeping the old userbase around. I can imagine that once the new one because large enough to be self-sustainable, they'll kill the old interface and the mass exodus won't fully kill reddit since they still have the other half who won't care.

It's a dangerous game they're playing. They don't create original content, so if someone clones or creates a site with the old user-friendly interface then the switch might flip on them as abruptly as it did for digg.
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