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Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by Closi »

apexalpha wrote: post #170
bloopernova wrote: post #44

Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

I still can't get over the fact that even Microsoft uses an electron app for their own OS. If not even Microsoft itself writes native code for their own bloody OS then we're just doomed. It's just all so sluggish.

> If not even Microsoft itself writes native code for their own bloody OS then we're just doomed

I agree a native client would be great, although I assume this choice is more because Microsoft wanted it to be multi-platform across iOS, Android, Web, Mac, Linux, Windows, Chromebook e.t.c. and that would either require building it multiple times, or building it in html/js as the lowest common denominator (web).

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by alach11 »

edp wrote: post #281
stefan_ wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it that in every one of these meeting apps, speaking causes them to totally garble any other person speaking simultaneously? It's like they go "oh you are speaking lets downgrade all others to 1kbit/s". Stop with the byte pinching and just give us the full fidelity sound like I'm using TeamSpeak, it's fricking audio.

I think it's because of echo cancelling technology. In software like discord you can disable it and it's way better when people are talking simultaneously.

Yep. It goes away if everybody is wearing headphones, which I strongly recommend.

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Post by jackson1442 »

bloopernova wrote: post #44

Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

We use Teams at my University. Generally if something University-sponsored outside of the college of engineering wants to make a chat about something, they use Teams. CoE uses Discord, fortunately.

Easily my least favorite chat app, save for those that break basic functionality as their core product (Snapchat). Teams doesn't seem to understand that organization admins might want to see user names in a different format than users. Everyone's name is Last, F., which makes sense from an administrative standpoint but needing to click into someone's profile to figure out who they are gets old _very_ fast.

The only selling point that Teams seems to have is "we're already paying for it."

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Post by postalrat »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #45

Teams sucks. It's user interface is unintuitive and messy. I find it difficult to find the context I want. Search doesn't seem to work. It takes a long time to load. When it eventually loads, it pops itself up in front of whatever I've opened and started working on (whilst Teams is busy loading) to take all my keystrokes until I notice the keystrokes aren't showing up in the program I was already using - I've seen at…

Teams sucks. Slack sucks. Discord FTW!

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Post by ljm »

Someone wrote: post #214
qlm wrote: post #73

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Can somebody explain why "paste with formatting" is so widely the default option? I have literally never wanted to paste with formatting and neither have multiple family members who have needed help with preventing it from happening.

History. The Mac didn’t have “paste without formatting”, and assigned ⌘-V to “paste with formatting”. Even if it had, they might have made it the default, either to show of that styles copied over, or for consistency. If you paste a picture, you don’t lose formatting, either (of the picture, whatever that means, or any text in the image) If you copied some text in MacWrite, for example, exited MacWrote, launched MacP…

Last time I built something on MacOS, this was basically just a feature of the clipboard API that each app could use independently. When copying to the clipboard, you could declare numerous formats for what was copied, and any app receiving clipboard input could state that they only accepted one format.

e.g. copy a jpeg file and you can paste it into Slack, and it will automatically add the image to the post. Paste it into the terminal and you'll get the absolute path to the file. Those sound like sensible defaults that are essentially 'context sensitive paste'.

You could copy a link from a webpage and store both the HTML version and a raw-text version in the clipboard, probably a version that used an annotated string, too.

For the same reason, yeah... this isn't as intuitive when it comes to software like Excel.

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Post by analog31 »

xyst wrote: post #55
bloopernova wrote: post #44

Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste. Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example). While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) +…

From what I've seen, a lot of people just paste screen captures.

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Post by npteljes »

raspyberr wrote: post #103

Teams is an embarassing piece of software. I use it on work laptop - a Microsoft surface. The laptop is Microsoft branded and all their software is so slow. Clicking to change chats is 1-2 seconds of delay. Opening office files is 1-2 seconds of delay. Opening calendar in outlook is 1-2 seconds of delay. Everything is so laggy and 90% of the time all you want to see is text. Ctrl-F search through Teams defaults to no…

The delays in Teams kill me inside. I press the up arrow to fix an error, wait for editor to initialize, then wait for the cursor to move to the end of the text, then edit the typo and re-send. The waiting part is 500-1500 ms. The overall responsiveness is abysmal.

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Post by Hamuko »

chrisseaton wrote: post #279
toast0 wrote: post #248

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BestBuy sells some Windows laptops with 64 GB eMMC. Space is precious on those. Chrome devices often ship with 16 GB; if Microsoft could make Windows viable at that size, they could push the absolute low end prices down a smidge and keep more users. I get 60 Mbps down and an upgrade would be $50k. Bandwidth is relatively precious to me.

> BestBuy sells some Windows laptops with 64 GB eMMC. I would suggest that people are likely not attempting to use enterprise-grade collaboration software on these machines, so that's not a problem.

Except it's not enterprise-grade.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/17/22439924/microsoft-teams-...

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