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Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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F*ck, I just bought an expensive Android-based Sony TV.

I got one for many years, haven't seen any ads ever.

EDIT: wait, what ads are they talking about? OK, I see suggestions of Disney+ shows, and I don't have neither a subscription nor the app installed

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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Isn't the answer to just buy a product explicitly marketed as ad-free? I used to watch enough YouTube that it was worth it for me to pay $10/mo to disable ads (and stream music). It never occurred to me that I was owed as a human right limitless free content with no implicit or explicit cost. Similarly, if ads partially fund a toaster, just....pay more for the toaster without ads? The expansion of ads to every produc…

Except no ad-free service remains ad-free forever. Sooner or later, subscriber growth slows down, and the standard playbook to continue to grow revenue is: (a) introduce new products that require additional subscriptions (but eventually the company runs out of new products to introduce), (b) raise subscription fees a tiny little bit every year (but there's a limit to how much any company can do that without angering…

> Except no ad-free service remains ad-free forever.

None of the examples you gave (toasters, windows, paint, and shower-heads) are services. I used YouTube (a service) as an example, because we're not in a world where products are overrun with ads the way services are, but my point was that even the service market has started to offer alternatives to ads.

The idea that the market will bear every product getting service-ized but somehow not offer any ad-free versions is nonsensical, at least in the steady state.

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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>I manged to remove them...you go to All apps..scroll down to "Show system apps"...Android TV Home...Force stop... Uninstall updates => You will have old Home Screen https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/4579...

Wouldn't that mean you had an insecure device?

The big issue with major OS updates for me is that the security updates are bundled with the feature updates. That's why updating Android on my old phone stopped being feasable, when the increased performance requirements caused it to remain persistently hot and unresponsive.

Not just the security updates, but also things like APIs that prevent some applications from being compatible. Still, I have to wonder how much of a tradeoff would be possible when all the code is managed together, and the security and feature updates would be interwoven in the same repo. There is only so much manpower available to keep maintaining every version of each update.

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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I’d love to buy a “dumb” tv. How do I do that?

Just buy a cheap smart one and attach a device that fully controls it via hmdi. My bedroom TV boots to Kodi and the original remote is attached as well as a small keyboard. Basically the best solution I found

Right! Like Nvidia Shield! wait

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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Tivo started running ads in its (subscription fee) service. It only takes up a single slot in the guide, but there are 3 in every screen. I called and complained, but what can you do. I stopped using Comcast box because of the intrusive ads. I fear this will be the future of streaming interfaces.

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It's astonishing to me that anyone who bought an Android or Google-centric TV product of any kind would expect anything other than that. They exist to track you and sell you ads. Period, paragraph. This is their business model. Accept it, or buy Apple TV plus a dumb TV (or a stupid "smart" TV with all network features permanently disabled). Those are the only options.

Sharing what I learned trying to find a dumb TV:

It appears that the two main options for 4K, non-networked TVs are 'business-grade' panels (e.g. [0]) and Sceptre[1], which are always out of stock.

I haven't bought either yet (my dumb 1080p panel was working just fine until this week,) but I am planning on upgrading soon.

[0]: https://www.sharpnecdisplays.us/products/displays

[1]: https://www.sceptre.com/

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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This reminds me of an article I read earlier this week in AdExchanger about Amazon's advertising business.

https://www.adexchanger.com/online-advertising/the-birds-eye...

The future is all about video. Brands are paying Amazon top dollar because they can link customers to ads on Fire TV. Amazon is quickly moving into non-ecommerce advertisers, which is where Google shines.

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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F*ck, I just bought an expensive Android-based Sony TV.

I got one for many years, haven't seen any ads ever. EDIT: wait, what ads are they talking about? OK, I see suggestions of Disney+ shows, and I don't have neither a subscription nor the app installed

https://www.whathifi.com/news/old-sony-tvs-are-about-to-get-...

(I bought an X950H, as it's known in the US.)

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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Side note: Not really ads, but kinda ads. I wish Apple TV would let me hide shows they are pushing.

Kinda related, but I feel similarly about Apple News+. It's a handy interface for an overview of the news, but they push subscription options. I want to be able to configure it to just not show me the pay-even-more options. And to exclude certain news outlets altogether. At best you can choose to hide a news provider, but they don't really go away -- it just shows you a black box where the story would be, along with a note that you've blocked them, and a button to show it anyway. Sigh.
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