I have noticed that most people I see who have not had a good experience with Teams are coming from Slack. Could it be like if you have learnt Vim it is hard to move to Emacs and vice versa? My company love Teams and don't struggle with it. For me the killer feature is the deep integration with Office. In many businesses Word, Outlook PowerPoint and most of all Excel are where people spend their days. SSO, deep integration, that is what enterprise IT wants.
Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
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Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
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You can't even read stuff from other tenants if you are in a video call. Teams came for free at a lot companies I worked with and all of them have moved back to Slack and many of them are also paying for it.
My favorite about video calls is at one of my organizations I am access denied to recordings even when I participated in it. I can't attach images either. Someone built these features. Why are you building a feature on who can attach images?? The entire mindset is completely wrong and comes from an overcontrolling enterprise mindset completely incompatible with what we expect from a chat tool. Oh and every time I log…
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Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
#253Everyone is talking about memory usage. But for me it's nuts how much CPU Teams is using when doing a video chat. Facetime video calls are barely measurable, CPU-wise, whereas a 1-1 call with Teams can easily occupy more than a full core. Quality and latency are much better with Facetime too.
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Can somebody explain why "paste with formatting" is so widely the default option? I have literally never wanted to paste with formatting and neither have multiple family members who have needed help with preventing it from happening.
If you sit someone who doesn't know How Links Work in front of some text with an inline hyperlink in it, then try to get them to copy it over to another place, you end up wanting to get to this default pretty quickly. "Right click copy link address" is real unintuitive. I've never wanted the text formatting itself to come over, bold text and headings and whatnot, but since that lives in about the same conceptual spac…
It would be pretty trivial to paste without formatting but still auto-parse links. Many apps do the link parsing on the client side, so it's not a formatting concern at all.
Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
#255Electron came out of Atom, which came out of GitHub, which Microsoft now owns. Obviously Microsoft is a vast empire and there's no reason every team will adopt other teams' work, but it seems curious to hear that electron was dropped for what's effectively the same tech (chromium rendering a web app). The article tries to explain why Edge Webview2 is better, but I don't find the explanation very compelling. Chromium…
Teams was built on Electron a long time before Microsoft purchased Github.
Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can somebody explain why "paste with formatting" is so widely the default option? I have literally never wanted to paste with formatting and neither have multiple family members who have needed help with preventing it from happening.
The normal case is when you’re cut/copy/pasting intra-app. Imagine if you formatted some text and then cut/paste to move it around and by default you lost your formatting.
Yep, this would be a good reason to keep it. You could probably get around this by using a separate MIME type for your app's content. If that type is present, use it, otherwise default to no formatting.
I'm not sure how intuitive that would be for users, though, having different defaults depending on where the data is coming from.
Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
#257The teams UI is so fragile that I often end up reacting an embarrassing emoji on random messages.
A single meeting usually drains the entire battery.
I can't imagine how this kind of application gets passed QA and shipped.
Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
#258Teams sucks. It's user interface is unintuitive and messy. I find it difficult to find the context I want. Search doesn't seem to work. It takes a long time to load. When it eventually loads, it pops itself up in front of whatever I've opened and started working on (whilst Teams is busy loading) to take all my keystrokes until I notice the keystrokes aren't showing up in the program I was already using - I've seen at…
What is it with "search doesn't work/work well" being a universal gripe with all of Microsoft's products ?
It's not like there are no good examples of what modern user expectations are for searching a body of text....
Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
#259Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…
I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste. Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example). While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) +…
FYI, Ctrl+Shift+V works as a paste without formatting shortcut in Teams. But for some reason I can't work out, they chose not to put it in the right-click UI.
Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2
#260Are they using react-native?
Doesn't make any sense, especially since they created https://github.com/microsoft/react-native-windows
Can we stop using document formatting as applications? We're also not using Word with OLE/COM/ActiveX objects to do video conferencing.