I am shocked, shocked I tell you. Same with ridiculous rape charges. The spooks must have scared that poor woman to death. I guess that what you get for exposing major war crimes by the good guys. He is alive but his life is ruined and Bradley is a woman. Yay for justice Edit: I really don't understand the downvotes. What, exactly, do you find objectionable?
Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
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Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#12I am shocked, shocked I tell you. Same with ridiculous rape charges. The spooks must have scared that poor woman to death. I guess that what you get for exposing major war crimes by the good guys. He is alive but his life is ruined and Bradley is a woman. Yay for justice Edit: I really don't understand the downvotes. What, exactly, do you find objectionable?
You don't have to dead name trans people. Chelsea Manning chose her name, please respect that.
I actually have had sex, multiple times, with trans people. Careful with your assumptions. I find your response offensive
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#13For someone who has not followed Assange news for a long time, what is the general accusation of his crimes? Is it just that he published secret material that he received from other sources?
No, that’s not illegal for somebody without a clearance. The crime he’s charged with is that he was willing to (and I think did?) assist in breaking into a computer system to get the docs. I think under the CFAA. They have communication records of this because the person he was talking to was working for the USG. Had he just been accepting docs as he was initially that would have been fine. It’s hard to know the trut…
The US government claims this, but it's not been proven.
>At some point Russia was also using Wikileaks as a place to target the USG with some plausible deniability and Assange’s personal anti-US politics became a corrupting influence too.
This is just more Russiagate nonsense: https://pics.me.me/russiagate-explained-wikileaks-posted-the...
>To what extent were the sex related charges against him political or flared up by nation state meddling?
There are no charges. There never were any charges. There was an investigation and that's as far as it went.
>UPDATE GREAT NEWS: Swedish prosecutors are about to announce the dropping of the investigation into Julian Assange on sexual offence allegations. There never were any charges and the allegations were always nonsense, as detailed in the below article I wrote a month ago:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/no-rape-char...
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#14For someone who has not followed Assange news for a long time, what is the general accusation of his crimes? Is it just that he published secret material that he received from other sources?
No, that’s not illegal for somebody without a clearance. The crime he’s charged with is that he was willing to (and I think did?) assist in breaking into a computer system to get the docs. I think under the CFAA. They have communication records of this because the person he was talking to was working for the USG. Had he just been accepting docs as he was initially that would have been fine. It’s hard to know the trut…
There's a passage in Sarah Kendzior's book (Hiding in plain sight: the invention of Donald Trump and the erosion of America) which clicked (to me): ultimately things like wikileaks damage societies and governments that are transparent. You will always find more dirt and problems in public/accessible records than in dictatorships. These initiatives are doomed to be used at some points as tools against healthy democracies/open states.
edit: the passage
> Among the few who saw the threat clearly was computer scientist Jaron Lanier, who, in 2010, warned the public of a new danger: WikiLeaks. At the time, free speech advocates were hailing WikiLeaks, and its founder, Julian Assange, as defenders of government transparency. Their lionization of the leaker organization was largely due to frustration with the criminal impunity of the Bush administration. In February 2010, soldier Chelsea Manning exposed war crimes by sending classified documents to WikiLeaks, which WikiLeaks then published online. The emphasis on civilian victims led human rights advocates to believe that WikiLeaks would prove a formidable opponent for autocratic regimes. But after WikiLeaks dropped hacked documents from the US State Department in November, Lanier predicted the opposite—that WikiLeaks would ultimately ally with dictators and that social media networks would abet them:
>> The WikiLeaks method punishes a nation—or any human undertaking—that falls short of absolute, total transparency, which is all human undertakings, but perversely rewards an absolute lack of transparency. Thus an iron-shut government doesn’t have leaks to the site, but a mostly-open government does.
>> If the political world becomes a mirror of the Internet as we know it today, then the world will be restructured around opaque, digitally delineated power centers surrounded by a sea of chaotic, underachieving openness. WikiLeaks is one prototype of a digital power center, but others include hedge funds and social networking sites.
>> This is the world we are headed to, it seems, since people are unable to resist becoming organized according to the digital architectures that connect us. The only way out is to change the architecture.
> Social media sites didn’t change the architecture. Instead, over the course of the 2010s, the architecture changed us. The calculus of post–Cold War politics—that democracy spreads through engagement, that technology enhances freedom—was reversed. Hostile states used digital technology not only to attack their own citizens but to attempt to transform foreign democracies into dictatorships. We saw this with Russian influence operations in elections in the United States, France, and in the Brexit referendum, among others.10 The social media corporations that had once bragged of the internet’s liberating power now helped the hijackers of democracy. Networks like Facebook abetted, whether intentionally or not, the “iron triangles” of organized crime, state corruption, and corporate criminality, and they were aided by complicit Western actors content to let their own countries die while turning a profit.
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, that’s not illegal for somebody without a clearance. The crime he’s charged with is that he was willing to (and I think did?) assist in breaking into a computer system to get the docs. I think under the CFAA. They have communication records of this because the person he was talking to was working for the USG. Had he just been accepting docs as he was initially that would have been fine. It’s hard to know the trut…
>The crime he’s charged with is that he was willing to (and I think did?) assist in breaking into a computer system to get the docs. I think under the CFAA. They have communication records of this because the person he was talking to was working for the USG. The US government claims this, but it's not been proven. > At some point Russia was also using Wikileaks as a place to target the USG with some plausible deniabi…
The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true.
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The crime he’s charged with is that he was willing to (and I think did?) assist in breaking into a computer system to get the docs. I think under the CFAA. They have communication records of this because the person he was talking to was working for the USG. The US government claims this, but it's not been proven. > At some point Russia was also using Wikileaks as a place to target the USG with some plausible deniabi…
I think you’re overconfident in what you believe to be true based on the evidence that exists. The Russian bit can be politically inconvenient for you and yet also be true.
Was it more valuable as kompromat?
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#17For someone who has not followed Assange news for a long time, what is the general accusation of his crimes? Is it just that he published secret material that he received from other sources?
They have already done a great job turning public opinion against him, though: the completely false claim that he was charged with rape is widely believed and repeated. Anyone who has fallen for this false narrative is encouraged to read the exact words of the women involved.
He has also been effectively imprisoned without trial for about a decade now.
Mostly he just serves as an example to what happens to people extrajudicially for fucking in any way with the US surveillance state and war apparatus.
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#19For someone who has not followed Assange news for a long time, what is the general accusation of his crimes? Is it just that he published secret material that he received from other sources?
They are trying to get him on the conspiracy with Manning's unauthorized access, based on chat logs AIUI. They have already done a great job turning public opinion against him, though: the completely false claim that he was charged with rape is widely believed and repeated. Anyone who has fallen for this false narrative is encouraged to read the exact words of the women involved. He has also been effectively imprison…
It’s a bit dishonest to claim he’s been imprisoned without a trial when he skipped on bail in 2012 and chose to stay in an embassy instead of turn himself in to the UK government.
He was arrested in 2019 and promptly convicted of skipping on bail in the same year by the UK government.
Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment
#20I am shocked, shocked I tell you. Same with ridiculous rape charges. The spooks must have scared that poor woman to death. I guess that what you get for exposing major war crimes by the good guys. He is alive but his life is ruined and Bradley is a woman. Yay for justice Edit: I really don't understand the downvotes. What, exactly, do you find objectionable?
You don't have to dead name trans people. Chelsea Manning chose her name, please respect that.