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Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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I did this for ages. It sucks. Maintenance, broken things all the time, bugs, ugh. I just torrent stuff on my Mac now and use a USB stick to ship it to my dumb TV.

Check out minidlna. Run on Mac and browse folders in Roku Player

That’s two more layers of things I don’t want to deal with. No networks, no servers, no clients!

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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So I have a shield and have yet to check, but with the new Chromecast with Google TV there is an option in the settings to switch to Apps Mode(I'm pretty sure that's what it's called). This gives you the shield look with only your apps and zero "suggestions" (which are somehow always for shows and movies on services you don't have). I hope the shield has something similar.

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there's nothing wrong with ads on stuff like this; televisions aren't sacred ground.

There's nothing wrong with it, if you are told about this up front and it's part of your purchasing calculation. Retroactively adding ads to an ad-free device after the customer has purchased it, sometimes buying it specifically to avoid competing devices with ads, is inexcusable bullshit.

If you subscribe to cable/satellite television, you expect there to be advertising. I'm not certain, but i suspect the agreement you sign while signing up for cable or streaming services, would include some sort of advertising clause.

Ie, u less a service explicitly promotes am ad-free experience, there should be no expectations of such.

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Android TV is a surprisingly bad system anyway. Barely apps, I can access maybe 100 games from my TV. The far majority absolute, and filled, trash games. I suddenly found myself locked out of thousands of things I used to watch because the browser, if even enable-able, sucks and so many sites/services have no interest in having an app. Owning a TV still feels like a step down for me, since I was used just streaming o…

My Nvidia Shield experience has been great. I can basically use it as another computing device:

- since it easily mounts external hard drives over the network, I can use it as a NAS for backing up photos from my phone via SMB.

- Likewise, the Plex server has made it easy for me to make good use of my huge library of music on my external hard drive.

- GameStream is awesome. Streaming games from my PC to my TV is trivial and is much more enjoyable than sitting at my desk.

- I don't get the complaints about the interface. It's the perfect level of intuitive for my entire family. TV on, my entertainment system + Shield switches on quickly via CEC, getting to Netflix/Amazon is trivial.

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The new Apple TV 4K is a absolutely better than any of the high end android tv devices. I’ve been through them all (at considerable expense) and am now totally happy on the new apple tv

I have an Apple TV and I want to like it, but the remote is utter garbage. Every time I so much as brush against it, it does some weird shit, like pause playback, go into fast forward, change the program or whatever... so then there's a mad scramble "where's that fucking remote?" as I try to figure out what appendage touched it so I can find it and undo whatever it decided to do. I'm afraid to stretch my legs or arms for fear of breaking playback.

Amazon got their remote right. Everything is an actual BUTTON and there aren't too many of them. Absolutely no complaints with that.

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So I have a shield and have yet to check, but with the new Chromecast with Google TV there is an option in the settings to switch to Apps Mode(I'm pretty sure that's what it's called). This gives you the shield look with only your apps and zero "suggestions" (which are somehow always for shows and movies on services you don't have). I hope the shield has something similar.

I'm not sure how to edit comments on a Materialistic but I found the link for cc w/gtv:

https://support.google.com/googletv/answer/10070784?hl=en

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So you're future victim blaming now? People need to be able to predict all possible eventualities and are to blame for any future changes to a system?

Many people definitely predicted this outcome years ago. At the time it was dismissed with "slippery slope fallacy" etc.

You're assuming everyone is sufficiently tech savvy however to understand this could happen. Unless you're going up to every would be buyer and telling them "hey in the future this product might have ads...but also all the other high ends brands might have ads too..." then you can't expect the average person to really prepare for something like this

Re: Reviews of Android TV launcher after Google added ads to the homescreen

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Question to HN users: I have a dumb display attached to an nvidia shield. The Shield is nice: It's powerful enough, runs decent version of the common apps I care about (netflix, plex, youtube, spotify are the ones I use), and the remote is minimalistic and nice to use. Let's say I want to opt out of Google for this. What the hell do I do? I do have a Windows PC attached to the TV, for gaming, but if I wanted to run t…

I just use my Windows laptop, it's pretty good. You're not limited to anyone's apps, you choose what goes on. And you're probably already used to disabling whatever dumb ads Microsoft tries to put onto your machine.

Using a Windows laptop does not solve the part of the problem where Windows is not a friendly user interface for TV use. Android TV and Apple TV are nice to use because the interface is designed around sitting at your couch and controlling it with a remote with limited inputs.

There's no such launcher on Windows that doesn't deal with the pitfalls of it being Windows. Even something like Steam's Big Picture doesn't really work very well in certain circumstances because you can be thrown out of the launcher onto the desktop unexpectedly by games it launches.

I think the only way we could see a good implementation of this is if Microsoft themselves made it. They tried doing something like this with Windows Media Center but I think that they're better positioned to try again now that streaming services are ubiquitous.

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Question to HN users: I have a dumb display attached to an nvidia shield. The Shield is nice: It's powerful enough, runs decent version of the common apps I care about (netflix, plex, youtube, spotify are the ones I use), and the remote is minimalistic and nice to use. Let's say I want to opt out of Google for this. What the hell do I do? I do have a Windows PC attached to the TV, for gaming, but if I wanted to run t…

Most tvs have multiple HDMI inputs, why not have your Windows PC for gaming and a Linux PC with Kodi or whatever you like. I personally just run mpv on my Linux box plugged into my TV and connected to a DLNA media server in my home and use my Android phone as a remote with KDEConnect, I'm not a big app person. I mostly watch YouTube videos my media server auto downloads when they are available from creators I like. F…

The shield remote does use Bluetooth I believe, I haven't dug into its internals though.

I kinda imagine that a "real solution" would involve some kind of Android environment, though. Your solution works, if the user has not opted into the youtube/spotify/netflix ecosystem. If they have, it's not a real solution.

I care about my youtube account -- I pay for it, in fact. The recommendation engine is extremely good if you curate it, and I've curated it a ton. YouTube is a beast for knowledge/learning center. Spotify has a really good and extensive music library which makes "not pirating" a real option.

At the end of the day, you need a good UI that implements the features of those services. No third party is working full-time to implement these in open source, and they'd likely shut down if they did. So relying on the upstream apps somehow makes sense.

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