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Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by kaba0 »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #143
qlm wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can somebody explain why "paste with formatting" is so widely the default option? I have literally never wanted to paste with formatting and neither have multiple family members who have needed help with preventing it from happening.

I do actually use it all the time. We share some slack channels with external partners but email is the main mode for some others and I have to send code, interfaces, etc on occasion and copy pasting from VS Code maintains the formatting in Apple mail which I’ve found useful. No hitting the space at a hundred times to indent a nested line. And it’s easy enough to escape. But that behaviour everywhere would drive me n…

I think they mean formatting as in slightly different font, color, background or goddamn underline and the like. I have never found it useful, and would be much much better with a non-default right click past as formatted option.

Your use case will not suffer since whitespace is text.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by turbinerneiter »

slumdev wrote: post #81
bloopernova wrote: post #44

Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

Same. Our company (we'll call it Monsarno) was bought by a certain German aspirin company, and our Bavarian overlords are slowly forcing us from Slack over to Teams. It's a nightmare, and very few groups have made the transition willingly.

Bayer isn't Bavarian, it's Northrine Westphalian.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by eloff »

rado wrote: post #99
slashdev wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Native apps means essentially building at least 5 distinct apps: windows, mac, iOS, linux, android. What a mess to work with and maintain. We already have cross-platfrom UI engines called browsers and they're very advanced and reasonably pleasant to work with these days. If you bundle the browser (electron) then you don't have to worry about differences between browsers. So electron makes plenty of sense to developer…

How can an organisation start a Web/Desktop project which can never ever be _good_ (not to mention great) and frustrate and annoy its customers all the time? If native is a mess, how is outsourcing the mess to the user justified?

What's the alternative? Be only on one platform? Not viable today. Implement 5 different apps, usually not viable.

The platforms are fragmented and the user pays the costs of that in the end, one way or another.

If you hide it by increasing development costs, the price of the app ( or amount of ads or premium only features) must go up to compensate and the user pays the cost as well.

Edit: downvote all you like, there is still no magical solution.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by jodrellblank »

nlitened wrote: post #36
richardstephens wrote: post #7

Drop Electron.... for Edge Webview2. I mean, okay sure, half the memory is an improvement. But what is going on in the chat industry that everyone's converged on Electron? You'd think Microsoft of all companies would be able to figure out how to build native apps. If I want a chat service with native apps, it seems like my only option is IRC.

If I understand correctly, Telegram has native apps on all platforms, and they are super fast and slick.

I've never used Telegram, but I suspect the Teams integration with SharePoint/Office365 and the (terrible) way Teams tries to be cake icing and floor wax by integrating file store, wiki, document library, telephone, whiteboard, plugin app ecosystem and webhook scripting environment with Windows ACLs makes it more complex than an independent chat/call/video call program?

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by nullify88 »

raspyberr wrote: post #103

Teams is an embarassing piece of software. I use it on work laptop - a Microsoft surface. The laptop is Microsoft branded and all their software is so slow. Clicking to change chats is 1-2 seconds of delay. Opening office files is 1-2 seconds of delay. Opening calendar in outlook is 1-2 seconds of delay. Everything is so laggy and 90% of the time all you want to see is text. Ctrl-F search through Teams defaults to no…

I've recently switched to the browser based client https://teams.microsoft.com and ditched their desktop application as I grew frustrated with its extremely slow UI. The browser client is more responsive, consumes less CPU and RAM, and uBlock some of the tracking javascript.

I can live with some of the missing features:

No noise cancellation

Audio devices are configured via windows sound settings

Can only share full screens and not individual windows

Standard Windows notification sounds and not the Teams sounds.

Maybe missing more otherwise its more or less the same app.

I've installed it as a Chrome App and it has its own window, task bar icon / shortcut and generates notifications.

I'd suggest others to try it out.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by kaba0 »

slashdev wrote: post #29
richardstephens wrote: post #7

Drop Electron.... for Edge Webview2. I mean, okay sure, half the memory is an improvement. But what is going on in the chat industry that everyone's converged on Electron? You'd think Microsoft of all companies would be able to figure out how to build native apps. If I want a chat service with native apps, it seems like my only option is IRC.

Native apps means essentially building at least 5 distinct apps: windows, mac, iOS, linux, android. What a mess to work with and maintain. We already have cross-platfrom UI engines called browsers and they're very advanced and reasonably pleasant to work with these days. If you bundle the browser (electron) then you don't have to worry about differences between browsers. So electron makes plenty of sense to developer…

I don’t think that connecting the 4 buttons of functionality in 5 frameworks is all that much work, when the bulk of the work is backend. Also, it is a trivially scalable problem, where you can just throw 5x as many people at it.

I get the popularity of electron and other cross-platform tools for small startups, but for Microsoft..

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by billti »

The article says Electron is a memory hog because it is based on Chromium, but so is WebView2! As it is based on the new Chromium version of Edge.

It’s still not clear how the switch results in half the memory use then (though I’m happy to see it!)

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by LinuxBender »

hakube wrote: post #152
beebeepka wrote: post #38

As if Electron is the actual problem hay. I am forced to have this junk running on my work PC at all times. As far as I know, everyone hates it. I only know a couple of people who like it and I definitely don't value their input since we disagree on pretty much everything I know Discord is supposed to be for gamers but I've only used it for work and it's hands down the best thing out there

We're using Discord at work and dumped Skype and Teams. It's been a blast

I still use Skype, as Discord is missing a feature I use. With Skype people can call me using a landline and I can dial out to landlines. It would be cool if Discord added VoIP landline support and could even transfer numbers from Skype to Discord.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by apexalpha »

bloopernova wrote: post #44

Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

I still can't get over the fact that even Microsoft uses an electron app for their own OS.

If not even Microsoft itself writes native code for their own bloody OS then we're just doomed. It's just all so sluggish.

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