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Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

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Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

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post #19

Not following how this is helpful? From what I've seen the cloud IPs are the first to get blocked by anti-scraping tech. e.g. Built an amazon scraping thing at home. Worked fine. Deployed to cloud. Literally first request Amazon goes nope you're a bot

I have my crawlers running on a 24/7 notebook at my house because of that. No blocks whatever rate i use. Deployed to digital ocean runs for 5 minutes then blocked forever.

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

#32
post #17

This is relatively easy to block, given that these companies publish their IP ranges. Similar to the Tor block, blocking "datacenter IP's" simply becomes the norm. This is why you have companies offering "resi's" or residential proxies to bypass such blocks for some years now.

Are there even ethical or “official” ways to source residential IPs? I thought most of them were from botnet infected IoT devices.

I worked on a fairly large web-scraping project (around 2 million pages per day) and we used luminati. Amongst other things, they offer genuine residential proxies with user consent.

https://brightdata.com/proxy-types/rotating-residential-ips

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

#33

Is it ethical to scrape things, trying to bypass prevention methods, against the expressed wishes of a site?

It doesn't really matter what's ethical and not, or what the site's wish - what matters is what the law says [1]. I don't want my neighbours smoking on the balcony below me, as I can smell their smoke but the law doesn't allow my building to ban it without consensus. Alas...

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/14/supreme-court-revives-link...

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

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Unpopular opinion around here, but scraping Web pages is often unethical, and the scourge of many Web developers and infrastructure managers.

For Christ sakes people, develop your own products!

If you have to develop and use a cloud based tool to "get around" businesses blocking your scraping app, maybe reevaluate your business and life choices.

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

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post #32
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there even ethical or “official” ways to source residential IPs? I thought most of them were from botnet infected IoT devices.

I worked on a fairly large web-scraping project (around 2 million pages per day) and we used luminati. Amongst other things, they offer genuine residential proxies with user consent. https://brightdata.com/proxy-types/rotating-residential-ips

Reading that page, the “user consent” is dependent on third parties who are monetizing their app through this service to inform their users. I … um … doubt the third party app developers give a crap to accurately describe the traffic that will subsequently emanate from their users’ devices.

Just like everything else in this industry, the retort will be “but it’s the users fault! They didn’t scroll through the 2,375 page privacy policy, user agreement, hold harmless indemnification agreement, and terms of use when they agreed to an ad free experience for their mahjong app! What a stupid user! Ha!”

To that I say, enjoy the coming oppressive regulations. It’s already started. As a kid, I always wondered why we required stupid laws to regulate common sense. Now I know why.

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

#36
post #21

Another idea: Buying an LTE modem/router. That IP address would probably be harder to block.

I agree, it would be impossible for sites to block individual customers behind carrier grade NAT without blocking other customers sharing that NAT endpoint.

Of course, the websites can raise an abuse complaint with the ISP, and they may take further action.

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

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post #32
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there even ethical or “official” ways to source residential IPs? I thought most of them were from botnet infected IoT devices.

I worked on a fairly large web-scraping project (around 2 million pages per day) and we used luminati. Amongst other things, they offer genuine residential proxies with user consent. https://brightdata.com/proxy-types/rotating-residential-ips

> " with user consent."

things like this are ... iffy at best: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pga9yk/your-tool-to-access-n...

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

#38

Unpopular opinion around here, but scraping Web pages is often unethical, and the scourge of many Web developers and infrastructure managers. For Christ sakes people, develop your own products! If you have to develop and use a cloud based tool to "get around" businesses blocking your scraping app, maybe reevaluate your business and life choices.

Sure, let me just develop my own monopoly on all real estate information.

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

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post #38

Unpopular opinion around here, but scraping Web pages is often unethical, and the scourge of many Web developers and infrastructure managers. For Christ sakes people, develop your own products! If you have to develop and use a cloud based tool to "get around" businesses blocking your scraping app, maybe reevaluate your business and life choices.

Sure, let me just develop my own monopoly on all real estate information.

no business is under any obligation to provide you access to their data and services for you to build a business on top of.

If you feel that the owner of data or services maintains an illegal monopoly over that data, work to lobby government to resolve that issue.

It's not your individual place to unilaterally decide that a business owes you anything other than what is described in their terms and conditions of use. Period.

Re: Cloudproxy – hide your scrapers IP behind the cloud

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post #32
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there even ethical or “official” ways to source residential IPs? I thought most of them were from botnet infected IoT devices.

I worked on a fairly large web-scraping project (around 2 million pages per day) and we used luminati. Amongst other things, they offer genuine residential proxies with user consent. https://brightdata.com/proxy-types/rotating-residential-ips

luminati runs on holavpn which installs backdoor proxies on people's machines. that "user consent" is not actually known to the users but is buried in some terms & conditions when they're naively installing the "free VPN" software.
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