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Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by Apocryphon »

baumy wrote: post #320
Apocryphon wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, empiricism is not bad. And attacking a single link in one isolated post that took me two minutes to search up links for hardly discredits an entire field of interest. Thanks for the concern though but this is hardly a thesis.

Sure whatever, but the rest of my post is more pertinent. These experiments have no value. Measuring the wavelength of the color of the sky is empirical and offers roughly the same insight into the impact of UBI on society. Empiricism on its own is nothing.

Okay, then sounds like the only way to know whether UBI is good or not is to go ahead with it and try it out. Good to know you fundamentally disagree with the ancestral post that claimed that it would empower idleness and drug addiction, like a puritan decrying alcohol, or dancing.

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Post by baumy »

Apocryphon wrote: post #321
baumy wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure whatever, but the rest of my post is more pertinent. These experiments have no value. Measuring the wavelength of the color of the sky is empirical and offers roughly the same insight into the impact of UBI on society. Empiricism on its own is nothing.

Okay, then sounds like the only way to know whether UBI is good or not is to go ahead with it and try it out. Good to know you fundamentally disagree with the ancestral post that claimed that it would empower idleness and drug addiction, like a puritan decrying alcohol, or dancing.

Yes, that would be the only way, but basic arithmetic yields the conclusion that it is not possible at present, even ignoring the political impossibility of it. And no, I very much agree with the ancestral post. I think it would empower a significant amount of addiction and other lazy and wasteful behavior. Which doesn't necessarily mean it would be a net negative for the world on the whole, but to deny that that would happen is to be disconnected from reality. I frankly don't trust the judgement or diversity of life experience of anyone who doesn't recognize that.

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by Apocryphon »

baumy wrote: post #322
Apocryphon wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, then sounds like the only way to know whether UBI is good or not is to go ahead with it and try it out. Good to know you fundamentally disagree with the ancestral post that claimed that it would empower idleness and drug addiction, like a puritan decrying alcohol, or dancing.

Yes, that would be the only way, but basic arithmetic yields the conclusion that it is not possible at present, even ignoring the political impossibility of it. And no, I very much agree with the ancestral post. I think it would empower a significant amount of addiction and other lazy and wasteful behavior. Which doesn't necessarily mean it would be a net negative for the world on the whole, but to deny that that wou…

Any form of welfare or public benefit can be abused, obviously. But to claim that it would lead to significantly detrimental and widespread abuse is a serious criticism that requires serious study and analysis to back up. Without it, both your post and the ancestral post are simply posting polemics based on your own specific subjective viewpoint.

By your own measure, basic arithmetic has roughly the same insight into the impact of UBI on society. As is judgement and diversity of life experience. As you say, empiricism on its own is nothing.

Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by giantandroids »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #90
lordnacho wrote: post #46

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I'm in the UK too. But also remote means you can get a job "based" anywhere. Check out some US firms for instance, many are hiring and are happy with euro time zones.

Is that your experience with US companies hiring at the moment? I never considered this type of roles before because it was sort of a given in my head that they would want US based candidates for taxation reasons. Have you seen a big change regarding this, from US based companies?

Very much reflects my experience. I am with a US tech now and they are very conducive to hiring Brits. They know on the whole we hold a lot of quality engineers, there are no language barriers , very little cultural differences at all.

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Post by giantandroids »

wayoutthere wrote: post #24
beforeolives wrote: post #10

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> Jobs are handing out more money with more flexibility than ever seen before. I'm in the UK and not seeing any of this.

Y’all have Brexit to thank for that. All my clients relocated any technical work they had in the UK to Poland or the baltics.

That sounds incredibly naive.

Why remove large groups of skilled engineers in your businesses domain and have to retrain again, because of a political change. I can understand a company with a manufacturing base doing this (due to import / export regulations changing), but this makes no sense in software.

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Post by Alonski »

beforeolives wrote: post #10
lordnacho wrote: post #8

The first guy in the article is a dev. There's never been a better time to find work as a dev. Jobs are handing out more money with more flexibility than ever seen before. On top of it all, if your firm wants people back in the office soon, now is the time to do loads of remote interviews so that you can keep being remote. I was interviewing recently and almost everyone is at least partly remote, with a huge number o…

> Jobs are handing out more money with more flexibility than ever seen before. I'm in the UK and not seeing any of this.

Look for US based companies that hire globally.

I work at CrowdStrike. Fully remote. Amazing compensation, team, work.

We're hiring too :)

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Post by bzbarsky »

jason0597 wrote: post #219
dudul wrote: post #174

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You absolutely do not save anything by outsourcing from the US to France. And cultural differences are there too. That was probably the worst possible example in the EU :-) That being said, yes there are other options. Eastern Europe is more and more popular for outsourcing, so is South America. Honestly, I'm maybe dead wrong but when I compare the mentality two decades ago (ie let's minimize cost by any means, who c…

Hmm. US salaries are $100k or more. French salaries are in the range of €30k-€45k, is that not savings? Unless I'm wrong somewhere

For a start, salary and cost to employer are not the same thing.

A $100k salary in the US also means the employer is paying $7650 in payroll taxes, typically some amount of money for health insurance ($0-$30k depending on the employer), maybe paying for office space, etc, etc.

A €40k salary in France means the employer is paying (if I read https://www.activpayroll.com/global-insights/france at "Social Security in France" correctly) somewhere around €21k in payroll taxes, plus whatever other benefits/administrative/etc expenses they have. I assumed the "family allowance contribution" of 3-5% is paid by employee, not employer, but I'm not sure.

That's assuming that €40k is the gross wage and not the "wage after employee side of payroll taxes". I don't know what the French custom is here in terms of what the salary numbers mean.

Anyway, the employer cost of just that €40k salary plus the obvious payroll taxes is $73k or so (with the payroll taxes and current exchange rate). Obviously still smaller than the $108k for US salary plus payroll, but not as much smaller as it seems at first glance.

Also note that in the US it's normal to work longer hours for more weeks for that money than it is in France for the French salary, though the effect is actually not too great if the US job is mostly 40 hrs/week, 2-3 weeks vacation, etc.

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Post by bzbarsky »

heterodoxxed wrote: post #64
yetihehe wrote: post #18

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Soviet system fell because there was not enough to even satisfy needs. There were always some shortages.

Once Perestroika liberalized their economy, they had distribution issues, sure. But before then, housing, food, clothing all were cheap and available. The food was simple, the apartments small and the clothing dull, but it was all there and for very little cost. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85M00363R0006014... But they liberalized their economy in order to compete on the consumer goods boom in the West…

I suggest talking to some people who actually lived through the pre-perestroika era in the USSR.

Yes, there was generally clothing in stores. Whether there was clothing in your size (no matter what size you were; pretty much all normal sizes tended to be hard to find in practice) was a big gamble on any given day.

When you say "apartments were small"; I just want to make sure we understand that we're talking about things like a family of 4 living in a 16 sq meter room plus shared access to a small kitchen (this is personal experience here).

And note that if we're talking about smaller towns or villages the situation was different yet again: more living space, but running water might be a real problem. Heck, consistent hot water was a problem even in reasonably large cities.

The 80s brought their own set of problems, but it was not all rosy before that, by a long stretch. Saying "it was all there" elides the fact that what was there was quite poor quality, especially compared to what was available even just across the border in Romania, much less Western Europe or the US.

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Post by [deleted] »

bzbarsky wrote: post #328
heterodoxxed wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once Perestroika liberalized their economy, they had distribution issues, sure. But before then, housing, food, clothing all were cheap and available. The food was simple, the apartments small and the clothing dull, but it was all there and for very little cost. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85M00363R0006014... But they liberalized their economy in order to compete on the consumer goods boom in the West…

I suggest talking to some people who actually lived through the pre-perestroika era in the USSR. Yes, there was generally clothing in stores. Whether there was clothing in your size (no matter what size you were; pretty much all normal sizes tended to be hard to find in practice) was a big gamble on any given day. When you say "apartments were small"; I just want to make sure we understand that we're talking about th…

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Post by nickthemagicman »

caseysoftware wrote: post #303
nickthemagicman wrote: post #217

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This is called the myth of overconsumption. It creates a simple fairy tale that financial success or failure rests solely on the individual. It allows people to ignore wage stagnation, inflation, rising costs of critical goods and services, rising inequality, and fundament structural inequities with society. Here's a more in-depth academic paper that provides data beyond unsourced colloquialisms if you're interested.…

Here's some sourced data for my claims to look at the "myth" if you're interested: "65% of Americans are still paying for cable TV." "According to cable cord-cutting subscribers statistics for 2018, the average viewer in the US can save up to $104 per month by taking the plunge." Ref: https://techjury.net/blog/cable-tv-subscribers-statistics/ "According to Zagat, if you are like the average American, you go out for l…

"Us1035.iheart.com"

I have a strange feeling that your sources are as poor as your ideas.

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