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Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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That list is a list of possible causes of UAP. UAPs are things that have not been categorised. None of those listed categories are categories UAPs have been put into. Instead, they are categories that UAPs could be put into in the process of becoming identified aerial phenomena. We know every recorded flight path, sure, but it would hardly be surprising for some ordinary plane flights not to be recorded (e.g. of smal…

Small planes: 1) Still often file a flight path in advance, and must do so if they are using instruments to fly, which is anytime they are flying at night, reduced vision, or even mildly poor weather. Even those who choose not to file will still have their takeoff/landing activity recording in flight logs. 2) If the transponder fails they will still be in radio contact. They are required to radio control, and will be…

UFO reports have turned out to be planes multiple times in the past. One of the problems that often arises is that humans are not very good at judging how far away things are when that thing is quite a ways away from them. Which leads to them looking at registered flights in the area they think the object is in, and not finding a registered flight, because they're looking at the wrong spot.

Frequently these take place around military test/training sites though, which may quite likely have things in flight which are not on pre-registered paths or transmitting location data while in flight, because it's classified even above the need-to-know of just your standard radar technicians or fighter pilots. On top of that, human error is a possibility and things can be lost track of or end up in places not originally intended.

The report released today leaves the door open to all of this, so people asserting that the DoD has conclusively said that the objects reported to the UAP task force exhibit movements impossible to explain by known human technology are simply mistaken.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Am I the only one who’ve been noticing a shift of narrative regarding UFOs in the past few years? I wonder what the endgame is…

I've only been noticing it the last few months. My one theory is it's right wing media trying to say "your government is hiding something from you and lying about aliens!" and then to extrapolate that (without saying so) to "what else is it hiding and lying about, e.g. the 'truth' about Covid?".

But this theory falls apart when Obama has even talked about the UFOs, but maybe he also noticed the rising interest and just innocently quipped that "we don't know exactly what's out there" to mean "we don't know which country's tech these things are."

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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but then you look at one of the examples like the pyramid one and YT analysis that took couple of days to pinpoint the direct cause https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/04/27/colunistas/suposto... NVD with 3 blade iris

Wtf is NVD? An acronym database lists many explanations like Natural Vaginal Delivery.

IIRC its Night Vision Device. Essentially night vision cameras have triangle shaped iris which causes triangle shaped lens flare - hence the triangles in the footage.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Senator Rubio added it into one of the COVID bills last year requesting disclosure of this information. It also funds the continued investigation of UAP sightings.

But the could have just made up some national security bs like they do whenever else they dont want to answer. What is different this time.

There is a 60 minutes piece about this a few weeks back which are interesting to watch. I think its mostly they want to figure out what we are up against since it seems to be happening on a regular basis.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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If they knew it was just another normal plane then it would not be unidentified. They actually identify countless objects every day. This report was not about them.

They're listing possibilities . Planes are one possibility, just as balloons, birds, and everything else they listed. Planes have been with high confidence attributed to multiple civilian recorded videos posted online (not in this dataset). Planes are a legitimate, high likelihood possibility for some of the reports. It has to be included on any list of possibilities used in investigating them.

I misunderstand what you mean by Planes have been with high confidence attributed to multiple civilian recorded videos posted online

It sounds like you're saying that civilians have videos of planes but the people taking the video don't know what they are. Is that what you mean? If so, the people taking the video may not know what it is, but that doesn't mean US Military & Intelligence agencies don't know.

In general though, you seem to be faulting a report whose explicit scope was an assessment only of UAP reports originating from Military or intelligence community sources. It was not an examination of every civilian report & video of something they can't identify.

Balloons, birds etc fall into various categories, yes. Planes on the other hand will be identifiable by by military & intelligence agencies. They don't need a special category because we have the data necessary to identify them. Meaning if we can't identify them, they aren't a normal plane, so we don't need to include that in a list of possibilities.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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While I agree w/ you that the Military Industrial Complex as an entity will do almost anything to justify increasing funding, I think this is a cynical take on this particular issue and is attempting to explain something we don't fundamentally understand with something we do - military budget increases. Unless the DoD fabricated the videos, and duped radar operators and pilots, or faked the whole thing in some way, t…

I'm not (necessarily) accusing them of faking the observations. But I wouldn't put it past them to take something that has (mostly or totally) prosaic / boring explanations, and keep the "air of mystery" going just enough to where people never quite get the answers they are looking (hoping?) for, and are willing to keep funding their research as a side effect.

There are probably some officials with this outlook, but you have to admit it is very sudden change in strategy after years of vehemently denying everything, and it in no way explains the footage or accounts which are the actual topics of interest here.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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I would not call it a report either, this is a request for more funding, the last sentence is: > The UAPTF has indicated that additional funding for research and development could further the future study of the topics laid out in this report. I would be more interested in a BEA style analysis of each incident. But at least it lays down some possible causes: - Airborne Clutter - Natural Atmospheric Phenomena - USG or…

The "other" bin sounds oddly suspicious. Why would the report creators step out of their way not to clearly define a bin for intelligent (and far more advanced) extraterrestrial activity?

Because that is so unlikely that, had they listed it, they should have also listed things like Angels or Ra's chariot.

Note: there are more people in the US who believe in the literal existence of Angels and Ghosts than UFOs.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Are there any plausible theories why this stuff is getting released right now? It looks like there is no immediate reason for action. And no real reason why they wouldn't have gone on for another decade denying it.

The longest period of time that anything can legally be kept classified without exceedingly special circumstances is 75 years. Roswell was 74 years ago.

Wow that's quite a coincidence. Seems like they got a late start if that really what's about to go down... https://www.justice.gov/archives/open/declassification/decla... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Am I the only one who’ve been noticing a shift of narrative regarding UFOs in the past few years? I wonder what the endgame is…

Its part of some deliberate disinformation campaign. All the videos released thus far have been thoroughly debunked by the likes of thunderf00t. If there are non-debunked videos, I am not aware of them. Most of the news coverage involves Lt. David Fravor, Bob Lazar or Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell. Why this stuff is being leaked? I cannot fathom. I assume we are signaling to some foreign entity our ability to track i…

Can you link to the thorough debunkings you are talking about?

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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If they knew it was just another normal plane then it would not be unidentified. They actually identify countless objects every day. This report was not about them.

They're listing possibilities . Planes are one possibility, just as balloons, birds, and everything else they listed. Planes have been with high confidence attributed to multiple civilian recorded videos posted online (not in this dataset). Planes are a legitimate, high likelihood possibility for some of the reports. It has to be included on any list of possibilities used in investigating them.

The Air Force knows how to identify other planes. It's not hard (for them). Radar and flight plans give little margin of doubt.
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