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Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#111
It sounds like you are lonely and consumed by work.

The last 1.5 years has been extremely lonely time for a lot of people around the world. Take a little bit of relief in knowing a huge percentage of the entire world is in the same boat as you. You're not alone, you're not unique in this loneliness.

Forgive yourself. This is the most important part. I don't believe you're a complete failure in life, but even if you are, FORGIVE YOURSELF. Tell yourself, okay you made a mistake and you're human, but you forgive yourself and move on. Drop the shackles of shame and anger at yourself by forgiving yourself and move on. Otherwise the shame you feel will never go away. You're exceedingly young, and you can motivate yourself to put yourself in a position to be happy.

As the world starts opening up through the rest of this year, do your best to get out and socialize. Understand that the next couple of years will be hard but learn how to socialize the same way you learn mathematics and programming. Trial and error and many, many attempts. You will get better at it.

You need to find your people. Those that share similar interests or similar sense of humor, etc. People you can talk to in real life. If you can work in person, do this.

Tinder and all online dating apps are 100% based on looks. I am not particularly good looking and when I tried match.com (I'm over double your age) it was a disaster. If I needed to use Tinder today, it would be a disaster as well. But I've been able to find my fair share of girlfriends because I can carry a conversation and I inherently like talking with people. Find others that you can talk to and then try to meet people that way. It sounds hard, and it is. But keep on trying over and over and over again. That's the way you get better.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#113
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you are a gamer, immediately stop Hard disagree there. Yes, gaming can be addicting, but that is also the case with basically all habits. If you easily get addicted to games, then I would suggest sticking to shorter single-player games. I would add reading (fiction or non-programming books) and traveling to the list of things to spend more time and money on.

Gaming can have positive and negative effects. On the positive side, it can sometimes provide people with a needed social outlet, at least if it's an online social game. It can also sometimes stimulate a mind that's depressed and lethargic, giving it a much needed jump-start so to speak which carries over into other productive tasks. Conversely, it can get you addicted to and dependent on quick and easy dopamine hits…

I usually download new games on my phone whenever I'm feeling bored. If the game turns out to be too good and addicting, I unintsall it after playing for 2-3 hours.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#114
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sincerely evaluate your style of dress (do you give off a feminine-milquetoast or masculine vibe) visit Reddit, etc for ideas Are you making a value judgment on which style is right and wrong?

None are “right” or “wrong”. It’s about being “effective” at projecting the image one is striving for.

I would say ill fitting is definitely wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#115

"I know that I'm a complete failure in life." Why do you say this? Because you aren't living the life of others? Because for whatever reasons you chose to program and do math instead of socialising and building social skills and friendship/relationships? Maybe you are being too hard on yourself? After all you don't know what you don't know and even if you knew the decisions you made were going to result in this much…

Here's my problem - I know there are lots of people having the time of their lives like the people OP is seeing on Tinder, except they also better at programming and doing math than me because they just seem inherently better. Basically everyone at Stanford and MIT is having fun and still making more than me - it feels like all of my hard work has been for nothing, and that at 25 I'll never even have a fraction of the life experience even 19 year olds in college have.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#116
post #30

You fell into the trap most nerds do -- you focused only on intellectual interests, and neglected other aspects of life. The good news is that you're very young, and have so much time ahead of you still. You just have to have to from now on go all in into making yourself a better, more interesting person to other people, so you can make some friends, get laid and all the rest. Go to the gym, get a nice body. Practice…

> You fell into the trap most nerds do -- you focused only on intellectual interests, and neglected other aspects of life.

I think this is valid, but objectively there are so many people who do this and everything else orders of magnitude better. This is what makes me sad, personally. And "just going to the gym", imho, isn't terribly useful advice - I think even CICO isn't realistic for a lot of people. I try starving myself often but I never have the willpower :(

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#117
Just about anything can be turned into a nerdly pursuit, a game of building a benchmark and then optimizing against it, if you want to. And when you look deeply at "how do people feel content with themselves", it's because they have actually pursued such a goal throughout different aspects of their lives. The social ladder looks singular, oppressive, because from the outside, it just looks like have/have-nots, when the actual thing of it has a great deal to do with how you use your personality and inclinations, which situations you engage with and which you bow out from, and where you choose to invest effort. Tinder is just one game to optimize for, and you can bow out of it and play a different one. It's not high school; you can make up some rules now.

For example, socialization is not really about "I have friends/I don't have friends". Interacting with a retail worker to get coffee is socializing. Talking to strangers at the bar is socializing. Going in for the date or job interview is also socializing. Different people are interested in different facets of these things. You can be a wallflower in one space and gregarious in another. And friends tend to not be characters in a story, conveniently falling into meetings; nor are they rational-expectations economic actors, optimizing all situations for maximum self-interest; they're more like cattle you have to round up to do anything with because they will just stay home like you if left to themselves, so you end up with a Venn diagram of friends for "A" and friends for "B" with minimal overlap, cause that's what you can get them for.

There are game players on Twitch who are quite good at the games they play and get lots of followers - ergo they are popular - but show minimal social ability. Their face is well-lit, but they grunt and swear and complain their way through every session and ignore their chat. Nobody is going to be charmed by what they are saying, but expressiveness tends to show through their gameplay, which can make up for a lot. And there are also streamers who hide behind an avatar, are not particularly exceptional at game-playing, but have a great ability to build stories and create situations that get their chat engaged. And there's no hope of quantifying these differences as a rank of overall quality as a person, but the fact that those differences do exist and neither is muted, undefined, expressionless, really does matter, and matters more than the particulars.

So - think about how you want to engage with people. Study that problem. Going to the gym, getting a style change, etc can help, but they're like subsets of the overall direction you're going in. Becoming a kind of person that you are not OK with is not going to help. Likewise you can get stuck in a rut because it looks like being dishonest in that sense is the "right" way, that there is only one way to be social and it's not your way; that usually afflicts the young because they observe other people pushing boundaries in ways that they aren't OK with, see negative stereotypes, and think "well, maybe this isn't for me" and write off their engagement before they really try. But, it's also a socially constructed phenomenon in the first place. Taking your inclinations and principles and polishing them up as best you can is a great path to becoming an Interesting Person.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#118
10+ years on you and creating a throwaway because good advice for young men can sometimes sound offensive.

Being in your 20s:

This is probably the best time in your life where you can freely explore the world of ideas as well as the geographic world, develop your own human capital, pursue projects in all sorts of disciplines, really whatever. It's the best time because it doesn't matter if you succeed or not, because you're only in your 20s. People who build successful startups in their 20s I believe are often very stunted individuals; there's truly great advantage to broadly exploring and learning about life and the opportunities offered everywhere in our complex modern economy, to do all that instead of prematurely welding yourself to a single company/idea. Again... there's unprecedented knowledge, science, industries, and opportunities, and the possibility of traveling and living almost anywhere at all... trust me, no one can possibly have taken it all in by their 20s... again you're at a tremendous advantage if you don't weld yourself to a single thing early in life and stay open to all the possible types of opportunities out there. Being successful in your 30s instead of your 20s is way more desirable in my opinion.

Tinder, two points:

1) There's a weak correlation with what's popular on Tinder and what women are attracted to in-person. I'm a failure on Tinder but have had a number of beautiful, awesome girlfriends over the years because I've always had the balls to just play a sometimes brutal numbers game and ask girls out who I meet in person. You can always do this, learn to not care about some rejection, and you will definitely find women who will go on a date with you.

2) Dating and value in the sexual marketplace is largely about location. Brutal truth but go travel and live somewhere like Asia or Latin America and non Western Europe and you'll find it's about 10x easier to go on dates with people you're attracted to.

"Spending time with friends":

Yes that's always nice, but many people also make their main life about their social life (this is more stereotypically feminine), and that IMO stunts them as individuals. The best types of friendships develop because you'r both pursuing similar goals, so it develops naturally. Those occur by being out in the world pursuing things. Don't force it... it will happen if you're out there doing things and open to interacting with others. It's OK if it takes years... there's a ton of things to focus on, explore, learn, go, etc. so don't think of a lack of a "normal" social life as some sort of handicap, it's not that unusual, and it's inevitably temporary if you're out there pursuing things. I'll also say like the second Tinder point it's easier if you're in a country where your background is rarer.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#119
post #52

800-273-8255 is the number for the national suicide prevention hotline. Keep that number handy and use it if you need it...because: Life is surprising. You have no idea what you will be doing in 5 years, and there is every chance that you will find currently unimaginable happiness. Finding out what form that happiness takes is the adventure. It might be travel, it might be love, it might be proving the Jacobson's con…

So true and with ten years of hard work in the field of programming under your belt already you will have a lot of great career opportunities at your finger tips. You'll meet a lot of great people and this will benefit you beyond anything you can imagine right now.

Re: Ask HN: Words of encouragement for someone lost in life?

#120

Step 1. Hit the gym. Attitude is everything. Step 2. Hire someone (preferably a young girl who also uses tinder) to take pictures of you and give you fashion advice. I ended up hiring an actual fashion school graduate :) Step 3. Make your job fully remote and travel (easy for programmers like us). Learn a new language. Do these and youre in top 5 percentile easily. Good luck!

Hiring a fashion grad is brilliant!
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