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Re: AWS acquires Wickr

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Never heard about this company before. Took a quick look at their website and noticed that in the table on front page (located in the section "Vetted by the NSA") Zoom is listed as a product lacking "Full E2E Encrypted Functionality". I'm wondering about whether this isn't true (considering Zoom's E2E being GA: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360048660871-End-t... ) - and the table should be fixed - or stil…

There are still cases where it’s not E2E, such as when a user is dialed in via a phone call.

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

#112

Did hell just freeze over? AWS has acquired technology instead of simply copying someone elses? Im flabbergasted.

Scroll to the bottom of the “my account” page for example and you’ll see a list of dozens of wholly owned subsidiaries and websites, many of which were purchases.

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

#113
post #7

Wickr is great tech, and I’m glad to see them get a positive outcome - but boy, I really am curious what AWS wants to do with this.

> Wickr is great tech Isn't it closed source? What is known about their tech?

It looks like some of the core parts aren't closed source (but definitely not open source). For example: https://github.com/WickrInc/wickr-crypto-c

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

#114
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS has acquired many companies in the past. Off the top of my head, Biba (turned into Chime), Elemental, Cloud9, Annapurna, CloudEndure…I’m sure there’s more.

A9

Former A9 employee here. A9 was not an acquisition - it was bootstrapped as a Bay Area subsidiary. Initially A9 focused on web search, then pivoted to doing product search for Amazon retail.

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

#115
post #73

> an innovative company that has developed the industry’s most secure, end-to-end encrypted, communication technology that's a pretty bold claim.

The post is written by an AWS VP of technology. They probably plan to deploy this as an enterprise service, or use the tech, so you really have to hype during acquisition the aspects you intend to sell.

The big sell for enterprises is actually what probably invalidates the statement you highlighted. Compliance, administrative controls, and audit almost always are significant threat surfaces that are exposed deliberately. Ideally to only the right people, but it's basically the equivalent of a cryptographic back door. It's less secure by design, but for a purpose.

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

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post #95
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. Slack uses Chime SDK for voice/video calls [1]. That is partly why Amazon uses Slack in the first place. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/4/21280829/slack-amazon-aws-...

Which is amazing because Slack calls are so bad that they pushed us to pay for Zoom licensing. It can bring a brand new $2k laptop to a sputtering halt. Which is bad but honestly fine for meetings. Where it lost us was that we couldn’t use it for pair/group work because our tools would become so slow as to be unusable.

My guess is they got a pretty good deal on Voice/Video from AWS, or perhaps a better deal for entire AWS infra.

Kind of sad as video is a extra paid feature!. It is very limited in functionality, no screen share or view on mobile, no easy way to do audio/phone bridge.

The connections or bad that my org disabled audio/video calling on slack and encourage users to use Teams only.

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

#117

Certainly one unexpected way for the government to scare off and shut down nefarious communications happening on Wickr. Note this platform has been popular amongst the darkest underbelly of the web (e.g. carders, drug dealers).

Knowing how Wickr is used by drug dealers, I was surprised to read the author's bio at the end of this announcement:

> Prior to AWS, he had an extensive career at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, where he served as a senior executive and section chief.

I reads a bit differently as "ex-FBI brass pleased to announce his new employer acquired your drug dealer's favorite encrypted chat app".

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

#118
post #3

Probably going to use it to replace Chime. Edit: For those that have never heard of it, its their own IM, that while publicly available, is mostly used internally for company communications, similar to Slack or Skype for Business. https://aws.amazon.com/chime/

Maybe? Although Amazon recently started using Slack as its primary internal messaging platform. Seems that if Wickr was designed to replace Chime, Amazon wouldn't have rolled out Slack internally.

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

#119
I remember when Wickr first started on iOS, the founder said at the time that she wanted an app her kids could use safely. I never met anyone who used Wickr though. Pretty good job on their part that it went from a niche app to an Amazon acquisition.

Now that it will have a corporate implementation people should remember that corporately administered clients (e.g. Teams) save and record a copy of everything you say and do and AWS Wickr is likely to be no different.

As Signal is mentioned in this comment thread, I don't see the hit on Signal about the phone number piece as being a big downside. The app is about privacy not anonymity and a phone number is a pretty unique UID. I never installed Signal to talk to anonymous strangers, everyone on my list is someone I know because of the phone number UID. True, I don't know everyone's phone number but I'm probably also not talking to them often or ever.

It's very hard to get people to try a different messenger. People are very wedded to the Facebook corporation (FB, Instagram, Whatsapp). It bothers me when I talk about something and then see ads for it shortly after. Obviously not only is it bot-mined for ad purposes, but rather, I don't believe FB ever deletes the data. They are the administrator and likely keep it forever. This is why I personally think Google is better, they mine it with bots, but unlike FB they don't sell data to third parties.

Signal is probably at the current time the last non-corporate messenger that is secure and is easy enough to setup and use (other suggestions like Matrix have a barrier to entry that is too high because it requires both technical knowledge and the ability to find your correspondents). It can't be acquired due to it being a non-profit foundation so it's likely to be around for a long time to come.

Re: AWS acquires Wickr

#120
post #73

> an innovative company that has developed the industry’s most secure, end-to-end encrypted, communication technology that's a pretty bold claim.

The post is written by an AWS VP of technology. They probably plan to deploy this as an enterprise service, or use the tech, so you really have to hype during acquisition the aspects you intend to sell. The big sell for enterprises is actually what probably invalidates the statement you highlighted. Compliance, administrative controls, and audit almost always are significant threat surfaces that are exposed deliberat…

> The post is written by an AWS VP of technology. They probably plan to deploy this as an enterprise service…

He is the Chief Information Security Officer (CISO)

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