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Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

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Re: Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

#101

Trolls create anger and conflict and conflict drives engagement. But that is as nothing compared to the engagement you get from public spectacles of righteous indignation. Social media breeds a special sort narcissistic positive feedback loop and it turns out a very small amount of validation is all that is required to set people off. But trolls usually know they're trolls. On the other hand take for example Twitter…

This is… I don’t know. I lack words to describe it.

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Re: Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

#102
post #20

To me, the interesting question here is whether symptoms of BPD (or mental illness more generally) might confer an advantage when it comes to building a following on social media. For example, catastrophizing seems to be a staple on the many popular social media accounts.

I don’t think BPD would be an advantage due to instability. There is nothing quite like a neurotypical person being dramatic. They can keep it up and keep going. It’s a stable “crazy” that doesn’t have other problems getting in the way of being dramatic.

Re: Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

#105
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of trans people in fact are mentally ill. Given the additional stresses and oppresive social experiences trans people face and are outspoken about , this is entirely unsurprising.

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amznthrwaway: If you read this, know you are shadowbanned - only certain people can see your content. I can only guess it has something to do with being a bigot and not just wishing for people to die, but directly wishing for the parents of fellow posters here to die.

You claim to have been shadow-banned before (I know I was, many years ago) but somehow, you don't know you've been banned for the past two months. And somehow you don't realize how unacceptable it is to criticize and insult racial groups and all members within it simply because of their skin color, no matter the color.

Re: Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

#106
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you can't identify what's going wrong to make someone's car have unresponsive steering (the etiology ), doesn't mean you can't precisely identify the car as having unresponsive steering (the symptoms .) Psychology is just fine at recognizing symptoms (and complexes of symptoms that go together, a.k.a. "syndromes") — and also very good at treating symptoms/syndromes, such that they go away. Often, an unde…

> Just because you can't identify what's going wrong to make someone's car have unresponsive steering (the etiology), doesn't mean you can't precisely identify the car as having unresponsive steering (the symptoms.) Except in this case there is a (vague) diagnosis - something is wrong with the car's computer (psychological issues). > Psychology is just fine at recognizing symptoms (and complexes of symptoms that go t…

> You don't need psychology to recognise symptoms. Unless you're saying psychology has it's own set of symptoms and it's own terminology - which is just a truism.

Psychology precisely defines syndromes (clusters of symptoms), and then, in terms of syndromes, provides both:

• tests qualifying patients into those syndromes (usually in the form of various rating scales)

• specific flowcharts for known-effective treatments for patients qualified into a given syndrome

It's not the rigor of physics, but rather the rigor of engineering or civic planning: making rules for doctors to follow that have been found in clinical practice to optimize for population-wide outcomes.

> How could you claim that the 'underlying pathology is benign' without even knowing what it is?

Because we have figured out what the underlying pathology is in many (not the majority, but many) cases, and almost every underlying pathology we've discovered is something benign: e.g. a genetic mutation that causes your synapses to produce less of some messenger-chemical. Such mutations have no long-term effect on your health, other than affecting your psychology. (And most of the cases we don’t understand present the same, are treated the same, and have the same long-term health outcomes if treated or ignored, and so are very likely to be similar in etiology to known diseases, despite not having yet been specifically researched.)

Also, as I said, psychiatrists pre-screen for non-benign pathologies first, often too widely. You can't get diagnosed with clinical depression (by a psychiatrist who's doing their job) until you've been checked for vitamin deficiencies, hypothyroidism, anemia, diabetes, etc. Even in cases where you have 100% of the symptoms of clinical depression, including ones that have no organic basis. They'll still do the pre-screen, just to be sure you don’t have clinical depression and one of those things.

But once you're known to not have any of the known-malignant pathologies, then they can and will treat the symptoms, because at that point the only problem they have left to treat is the symptoms. (What else would you expect them to do? Drill a hole in your skull to biopsy your brain tissue, to figure out what step in amine metabolism is failing—just to end up with the same treatment they’d get to from looking at the symptoms?)

> Except you really have no idea how many 'psychological diseases' could be progressing and/or affecting you

There is the simple observation that these syndromes aren't degenerative. People can have e.g. untreated ADHD all their lives, and they won't live less long or end up in the hospital more often than people without ADHD. That’s despite ADHD being a syndrome with potentially dozens of etiologies. Everything that causes that cluster of symptoms, and only that cluster of symptoms, is equally non-degenerative, because it’s all equally being expressed solely as the same kind of non-long-term-harmful down-line effect.

A degenerative neurological disease makes itself pretty obvious. Neurosyphilis is easy to recognize the symptoms of, to the point that even doctors in the 1700s could make the correlation that patients with that set of symptoms at age 60, were the same people having a lot of casual sex at age 20.

> while you mask the symptoms

When we treat a syndrome, what we're treating for usually is our best understanding of the etiology. Sometimes we're "sawing off one leg to make it even with the other" (e.g. you have too few dopamine receptors, so instead of telling your brain to make more — which we don't know how to do — we tell your brain to make less dopamine), but the treatment chosen is still putting the upstream system into a new (and beneficial!) equilibrium state, rather than “masking” down-line symptoms in the way that e.g. painkillers do.

(Though I would note that even painkillers are therapeutic in some cases — as often pain itself can have negative short- or long-term consequences, e.g. acute inflammation or acute increase in blood pressure in response to the pain. A non-negligible part of the reason that people are given opioids when they’re in severe pain, is to decrease the risk of them having a heart attack or going into shock.)

Re: Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

#107
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Insane” is mostly meant in jest here, not to imply that heavy contributors are mentally ill. The examples they picked out are pretty ridiculous but are also the biggest outliers. The real point here is that <1% of the users account for ~99% or so of the consumed content. Which is interesting in its own right.

I think "insane" in both contexts mainly denotes being a cognitive outlier.

Ah, but "insane" is not used by the article - the term "psychological issues" is, to imply some kind of mental unwellness.

OTOH, the Reddit post explicitly clarifies:

> Edit: I guess my tone-projection is off. A lot of people seem to be put-off by my usage of the word "insane." I intended that as tongue-in-cheek and did not mean to imply that any of them literally have diagnosable mental illnesses. I have a lot of respect for all of the individuals I listed and they seem like nice people, I was just trying to make a point about how unusual their behavior is.

Unusual behavior? Yes. However, I think you can see how that would not fall into the same bucket as the implication of "psychological issues." This nuance is likely why people have grown to dislike words like "insane" and "psychopath," since these unintentional connections might warp people's perspectives.

Re: Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

#108
post #85
post #25

I"m glad to see this point made: > I’m not saying that all online bad behaviour is because of mental health issues or personality disorders: lots of people are just dickheads, and there’s no need to pathologise them. One of the important lessons I took away from a milestone book on abuse, "Why Does He Do That?" is that people really want to excuse harmful behaviors as illness. When often, repeated bad behavior happen…

I would agree; "homophobes" are not afraid of homosexuality.

I kind of disagree. To me, there does seem to be an element of fear behind homophobia, and homophobes often act as if "the gay" is something they can catch like a disease, or be talked or tricked into. It's practically a stereotype for homophobes to present as hypermasculine in order to avoid doing or saying anything that might be perceived as "gay." Some men won't even wipe themselves out of fear that the sensation of toilet paper on their buttocks will turn them gay.

And that's not even getting into political and culture fears like male-to-female transgender people "trapping" men into having sex with them, or using the "wrong" bathrooms, or the extreme right-wing fears of a "gay agenda" to undermine traditional Christian-oriented culture, or "feminizing chemicals" being added to the water (the whole "gay frogs" thing) to increase the homosexual population and emasculate male aggression and military readiness. People even argue that homosexuality presents a threat to human evolution itself, despite being present in many known (and not extinct) animal species and likely humanity's own evolutionary ancestors as well as humanity itself.

Re: Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

#109
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the whole point of UnHerd is that it is includes people from a range of ideological outlooks. You keep saying that. Let's like at some random headlines from their "contributors" page: > Ideology should not trump children’s health (anti-trans) > France’s mega-mosque problem > The emptiness of ‘British values’ > The death of American patriotism > The problem with male feminists > Universities have destroyed feminism…

Again, the whole point of UnHerd is that it includes people from a range of ideological outlooks, who ordinarily would be opposed to one another, because they share some concerns and can forge a common cause in publishing. None of the headlines that you cite are specific to “extremist Christian-right propaganda”, indeed these are themes are commonly discussed by those who identify as leftist and unreligious, but feel…

> includes people from a range of ideological outlooks, who ordinarily would be opposed to one another, because they share some concerns and can forge a common cause in publishing

LOL normally when people say "includes people from a range of ideological outlooks", they usually mean so they present a range of ideological viewpoints. What you actually mean is so they can present a single ideological viewpoint, how counter-intuitive.

> None of the headlines that you cite are specific to “extremist Christian-right propaganda”

Anti-islmam, anti-feminist, anti-left, anti-immigrant, anti-trans...gosh what was I thinking! It's true the headlines are not overtly religious...but I never that was the case. Propaganda is often subtle so it can hide it's true nature and purpose and origin.

> You have still not brought forth any proof of your claim above that UnHerd was founded and funded expressly for “extremist Christian-right propaganda” purposes

Websites that take up the anti-trans cause are either secular radical feminist or Christian-right. Let's look up the founder of unherd shall we? (you probably guessed I already knew this).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Montgomerie

> Montgomerie was born into an army family in Barnstaple in 1970.[7][8] He said in a Guardian interview[9] that "his teenage Thatcherism was tempered by discovering evangelical Christianity at sixteen".

I guess it's not the radical feminist kind.

Re: Disproportionate amount of bad online behaviour stems from psychological issues

#110

>About 70% of DID patients are also diagnosed with BPD, and the two conditions are often considered part of the same spectrum. >I’m certainly not saying that all trans people have personality disorders or that being trans is a mental illness. A little bit of whiplash on this one. Despite the sentence or two claiming what the author is purportedly not doing, the rest of the article seems to indicate otherwise. If you…

> A little bit of whiplash on this one. Despite the sentence or two claiming what the author is purportedly not doing, the rest of the article seems to indicate otherwise.

Trans people who actively post online about their trans status are a narrowly selected subset of trans people as a whole, and those who act obnoxious enough to be a foremost example of OP's point even more peculiarly so. One should never try to derive generalized descriptive statements from such narrow anecdata.

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