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Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by Grakel »

raphlinus wrote: post #4
Grakel wrote: post #3

This is less a news article than a careful management of emotions as they slowly let the truth trickle out.

In fairness, it is an opinion piece. I strongly suspect that - on this topic more than most others - "truth" is a Rorschach test, and different people will come away with different conclusions. That said, Zeynep Tufecki has an excellent track record of being right (she was way ahead of the curve on airborne), and if you're going to read one thing on Covid origins, this is probably the one. Another really fascinating…

Thank you for this information, great comment. Edit: Not sarcasm.

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Post by mint2 »

jaz2130 wrote: post #30
jimmygrapes wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of misinformation and speculation, I see you and others are still pushing the "ingesting bleach" blatant falsehood. You do yourself no favors.

Yeah, it’s interesting his misinformation doesn’t get flagged or deleted. Makes you wonder about the bias of moderators on HN.

In reply to the other comment accusing me of “blatent falsehoods”, I already showed my claim was supported and that a quick google would show that. Your comment came about half and hour after I provided that support.

Please do not attack users and ignore their replies that already show that the attacks are unjustified.

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Post by jaz2130 »

mint2 wrote: post #32
jaz2130 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it’s interesting his misinformation doesn’t get flagged or deleted. Makes you wonder about the bias of moderators on HN.

In reply to the other comment accusing me of “blatent falsehoods”, I already showed my claim was supported and that a quick google would show that. Your comment came about half and hour after I provided that support. Please do not attack users and ignore their replies that already show that the attacks are unjustified.

Please don't use divisive language like saying I "attacked" you. It doesn't add anything to the discussion and is not discourse that is welcome on HN

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by mint2 »

jaz2130 wrote: post #33
mint2 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In reply to the other comment accusing me of “blatent falsehoods”, I already showed my claim was supported and that a quick google would show that. Your comment came about half and hour after I provided that support. Please do not attack users and ignore their replies that already show that the attacks are unjustified.

Please don't use divisive language like saying I "attacked" you. It doesn't add anything to the discussion and is not discourse that is welcome on HN

Your comment said I was posting misinformation and speculated the only reason I wasn’t deleted or flagged was moderator bias. That is an attack and hostile, especially when I’d already followed up showing my comment was not misinformation.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by seanicus »

haunter wrote: post #9

What a difference a year makes >“The Discussion Is Basically Over”: Why Scientists Believe the Wuhan-Lab Coronavirus Origin Theory Is Highly Unlikely >Trump and Mike Pompeo’s favorite blame-China theory makes great propaganda—but dubious science. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/why-scientists-belie...

A broken, racist, nationalist clock is right twice a day. And as for the "new info" that has come to light, I find it amazing that Americans will continue to believe every 'smoking gun' offered to them by their intelligence agencies, as long as it's laundered through the right news outlets.

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Post by randyrand »

seanicus wrote: post #35
haunter wrote: post #9

What a difference a year makes >“The Discussion Is Basically Over”: Why Scientists Believe the Wuhan-Lab Coronavirus Origin Theory Is Highly Unlikely >Trump and Mike Pompeo’s favorite blame-China theory makes great propaganda—but dubious science. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/why-scientists-belie...

A broken, racist, nationalist clock is right twice a day. And as for the "new info" that has come to light, I find it amazing that Americans will continue to believe every 'smoking gun' offered to them by their intelligence agencies, as long as it's laundered through the right news outlets.

Same for the anti-clock.

It seems NYT and others just said whatever the opposite of trump was saying. Hardly good journalism.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by treeman79 »

jaz2130 wrote: post #29
treeman79 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped.” - 1984

For those unaware, the Washington Post has gone back and retroactively edited their articles from when Trump was president, where they claimed that the lab leak theory was “debunked” Journalism is dead, and apparently pointing that out on Hacker News will get your comment deleted for “not adding to the discussion”

Oh wow. I was unaware of that.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by jaz2130 »

mint2 wrote: post #25
jimmygrapes wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of misinformation and speculation, I see you and others are still pushing the "ingesting bleach" blatant falsehood. You do yourself no favors.

Americans are literally drinking bleach https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some... Because trump did this: “At an April news conference, Trump wrongly suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential treatment, leading the makers of Lysol to release a statement saying "under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body” My statement is supported. Please do n…

That article that that Forbes post cited claims that two (!) people in Georgia drank Chlorine dioxide. There is also no evidence that Trump is the reason they drank it.

2 people out of over 300 million Americans drinking that does not show that this is a widespread phenomenon, like you seem to imply in your post -- "Americans are literally drinking bleach!"

Let's please make sure our comments are backed up by data, it ensures discussions here on HN are productive.

Also, the leading fact checkers, Politifact, refute your claim and state that "No, Trump didn’t tell Americans infected with the coronavirus to drink bleach". It is not very useful to be pushing debunked narratives on Hacker News...

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/...

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by mint2 »

jaz2130 wrote: post #38
mint2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans are literally drinking bleach https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some... Because trump did this: “At an April news conference, Trump wrongly suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential treatment, leading the makers of Lysol to release a statement saying "under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body” My statement is supported. Please do n…

That article that that Forbes post cited claims that two (!) people in Georgia drank Chlorine dioxide. There is also no evidence that Trump is the reason they drank it. 2 people out of over 300 million Americans drinking that does not show that this is a widespread phenomenon, like you seem to imply in your post -- "Americans are literally drinking bleach!" Let's please make sure our comments are backed up by data, i…

Trump went on live tv and literally rambled about injecting disinfectants as a possible treatment for the virus. And “ramble” is not opinion, there is no better word for his statement on disinfectants, repeated below. I disagree with the politifact rating, based on what Trump said it should be “mostly true”. And the cdc even conduced a poll, apparently in response to trump’s press conference, that found 4% of respondents ingested or gargled bleach. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/...

Biden named one of the specific types of disinfectant that trumps followers were literally drinking in response to his ramble about injecting disinfectants. The claim is mostly true.

Here trump’s quote below, HN readers can be the judge if it.

“And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by jaz2130 »

mint2 wrote: post #39
jaz2130 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article that that Forbes post cited claims that two (!) people in Georgia drank Chlorine dioxide. There is also no evidence that Trump is the reason they drank it. 2 people out of over 300 million Americans drinking that does not show that this is a widespread phenomenon, like you seem to imply in your post -- "Americans are literally drinking bleach!" Let's please make sure our comments are backed up by data, i…

Trump went on live tv and literally rambled about injecting disinfectants as a possible treatment for the virus. And “ramble” is not opinion, there is no better word for his statement on disinfectants, repeated below. I disagree with the politifact rating, based on what Trump said it should be “mostly true”. And the cdc even conduced a poll, apparently in response to trump’s press conference, that found 4% of respond…

That quote does not say to drink disinfectant... implying that it does is disingenuous at best. Even the far left PolitiFact admits that!
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