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As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Re: As the Pandemic Recedes, Millions of Workers Are Saying 'I Quit'

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Post by kingsuper20 »

cwkoss wrote: post #274
kingsuper20 wrote: post #109

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>A decade is too big of a window. I think that it's too small. Consider the swathes of time that are examined in history books. It all looks amazing and fast moving when you are living it, particularly when you are younger.

The rate of technological advancement is growing exponentially, so the duration of an 'era' is becoming compressed.

You know, that's a great discussion to have at another time.

Is it growing exponentially? Personally, I'd say that changes at the margin are becoming smaller. I think that the difference between 1940-1980 is much greater than 1980-2020.

As an aside, it's funny how static music has been for years. There are numerous bands that sound like they would have been reasonably successful in 1970 (and visa versa). 1920 vs 1970 is a whole 'nother issue.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

newfriend wrote: post #269
nickthemagicman wrote: post #217

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This is called the myth of overconsumption. It creates a simple fairy tale that financial success or failure rests solely on the individual. It allows people to ignore wage stagnation, inflation, rising costs of critical goods and services, rising inequality, and fundament structural inequities with society. Here's a more in-depth academic paper that provides data beyond unsourced colloquialisms if you're interested.…

And this is the myth of "The Man is keeping me down". It allows people to ignore that their choices are by far the biggest factor in what happens in their lives, and instead allows them blame society and take no responsibility.

I think your claim is partially true.

People can make good/bad choices but the amount and types of choices a person even has available to them, is very dependent on pre-existing family success/wealth.

Jeff Bezo's kids will have more choices/opportunities than a middle class kid who will have more choices/opportunities than a poor kid.

Starving Syrian Refugess have very minimal choices or opportunities.

So your average middle class or poor person has some choices but is much more at the mercy of their ENVIRONMENT than Jeff Bezo's kids who can bend the environment to their will with money.

Your heels seem pretty dug into your belief's so there's a good chance I'm wasting my time by talking to you but whatever.

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Post by u678u »

munificent wrote: post #266
dougmwne wrote: post #11

5 years ago I hit a burnout point and took a year off work. It was a huge perspective shift. I realized that my day-to-day of a rushed commute to work, a stressful and distracting office, thimble-deep coworker relationships and a life completely orientated around doing the above was an insane waste of my short time on Planet Earth. I reoriented my life around family, remote work, flexibility and balance. My quality o…

> Everyone had a whole year "pause" to reevaluate if their lives were organized around their goals, and for millions, the answer was no. It's important to remember that everyone also had a one year traumatic experience . Physically confined for a year with the threat or reality of unpredictable agonizing death to you or loved ones in the middle of an absolutely insane US political situation is going to take a toll on…

Right, I'm from a small town myself and moved to a big city. Small towns are very convenient but life is more about having a convenient commute, easy parking and a big back yard.

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Post by cloverich »

wonderwonder wrote: post #268
mensetmanusman wrote: post #265

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I moved about 8 years ago and met people here having coffee every Monday morning at 6. Great way to start the week!

appreciate the tip, assuming you mean at a coffee shop or something similar? Still have the kids though :) so cant really go grab coffee that early. I am sure most of the problem is me not figuring it out but I am pretty much at a loss, I work remotely, have younger kids that I have to take to school and pickup, feed etc. Finish work at like 6 then kids until 9. So weekdays are out. Then weekends seems like there is…

I also feel bad abandoning my wife and vice versa but I realized recently its still important to find space for that. After some mutual encouragement we've begun taking turns here and there watching the kids, purely for the other person to make plans and go out. Of course, it doesn't help making friends necessarily, but having that habbit does provide the space for it when the opportunities arise.

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Post by rpmisms »

Agenttin wrote: post #226
rpmisms wrote: post #172

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Yeah, if I were single and living in a Big City™, I'd be desperate to be in an office again, too.

Oddly, this has become an environment where something like WeWork could actually make sense. I might like to have a workspace without any coworkers.

There's plenty of shared workspaces in many cities. WeWork just leveraged some workspaces into an absolutely comical valuation.

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Post by cloverich »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #229
aoifjaslfivjcam wrote: post #201

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Not since covid, no. Some of us have been stuck in single rooms with no family or social contact for over a year. Exercise groups - Illegal meeting up with other people - Illegal dating - Illegal going outside without a valid reason - Illegal Former friends with established families and large properties with gardens berate you for complaining, as its selfish, "people are dying!", but they travel for holidays, take th…

>Also lots of people do not like the fact that I questioned the rationale for the lockdown measures, questioned the data ( as in wanted to know what the actual data was), etc. They did not like it AT ALL. >As far as I am concerned I might as well be a secret Jew in 1944 Berlin for the level of trust I have for other people now. Holy persecution complex, batman! Millions were dying and being asked to wear a mask, soci…

I don't think its right to downplay another persons suffering. We are social creatures and many people were put into situations that both actually isolated them while revealing the shallowness of their suposed support networks all at once. That's more or less what this person is explaining / venting about and it. I don't know if you've ever been isolated and / or lonely, but once you are you realize it is not a state we are built to withstand.

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Post by abgfm »

I was into FIRE movement until I realized that i cannot retire until I am about 60 (42 now). A big meh moment. Thus new goal is that in about 5yrs to be able to work max 3 days per week, remote or not (though highly biased towards remote). Even if that means switching careers Product to Dev (re)learning, etc, I'd be fine with it. + Frugal living, of course, i did all the grind + material accumulations, as result of hard work + career advaces in tech + wife in marcom. I find it that 3 days work vs 4 days for life is a good balance (self time, raising kids, travel, the whole set). The big economy sistem should support in general more flexible methods of earning a living.

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Post by wonderwonder »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #229
aoifjaslfivjcam wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not since covid, no. Some of us have been stuck in single rooms with no family or social contact for over a year. Exercise groups - Illegal meeting up with other people - Illegal dating - Illegal going outside without a valid reason - Illegal Former friends with established families and large properties with gardens berate you for complaining, as its selfish, "people are dying!", but they travel for holidays, take th…

>Also lots of people do not like the fact that I questioned the rationale for the lockdown measures, questioned the data ( as in wanted to know what the actual data was), etc. They did not like it AT ALL. >As far as I am concerned I might as well be a secret Jew in 1944 Berlin for the level of trust I have for other people now. Holy persecution complex, batman! Millions were dying and being asked to wear a mask, soci…

social distance means different things to different people based on where they are and their situation. For OP social distance seems to have meant spending all of their time completely alone in their home as leaving it was actually illegal. In addition they found out that none of the people they considered friends really cared enough to even reach out and see how they were doing. That can be quite a slap in the proverbial face and it is jarring to discover you are alone in the world.

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Post by joejerryronnie »

rpmisms wrote: post #204
jghn wrote: post #200

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Yeah I suspect the real connection are people who look to depend on the office culture to provide a key part of their social interaction. In some cases that will track with age, but not always.

I mean, I like my coworkers well enough, but I'm a redneck at heart. I'm never going to actually fit in with the yuppies.

I quite enjoyed showing up to my big tech parking lot in the F250. Nobody knew quite what to make of me.

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Post by cwkoss »

kingsuper20 wrote: post #291
cwkoss wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of technological advancement is growing exponentially, so the duration of an 'era' is becoming compressed.

You know, that's a great discussion to have at another time. Is it growing exponentially? Personally, I'd say that changes at the margin are becoming smaller. I think that the difference between 1940-1980 is much greater than 1980-2020. As an aside, it's funny how static music has been for years. There are numerous bands that sound like they would have been reasonably successful in 1970 (and visa versa). 1920 vs 1970…

> I think that the difference between 1940-1980 is much greater than 1980-2020.

I vehemently disagree with this, but agree this is veering off topic, so I'll leave it at that.

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