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A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Re: A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Post by autokad »

justapassenger wrote: post #13
tasogare wrote: post #9

> The finding could have dire implications for the Covid-19 pandemic if it’s not brought under control soon through vaccination. > “What is going on right now might be going on for generations and generations.” > Covid-19, SARS and MERS. Studies on each of these coronaviruses indicate that they jumped into our species from bats or other mammals. Hard to take seriously an article having such an obvious agenda.

Agenda of science - how dare they talk about vaccines or viruses jumping between spices. I read on Facebook while I was pooping, that vaccines are evil and don't work, and viruses only exists in our world, because people are engineering them! That's the truth, that has no agenda behind it! /s

wow, this is where hackernews has come. All the user stated was "its hard to take the article seriously with such an obvious agenda", something along those lines. and the community thought that was flaggable? this is where we come?

welcome to the great censorship. Believe in all that is holy from a political left, and disbelievers shall be punished and removed from conversation.

If you can't see agenda painting in those opening paragraphs of the article, you need your head checked. Its not the facts that are in disagreement, its how they are presented to spread an agenda.

No one said vaccines didnt work, that was going on in your mind.

Re: A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Post by shoto_io »

colechristensen wrote: post #19
TX0098812 wrote: post #14

Aren't coronaviruses pretty common...?

Yes, people seem to miss this. There are several mild endemic coronavirus diseases in humans, usually called "common cold" along with many others.

Yes. But then again they didn’t start out as endemic virus but as a pandemic one. They probably wrecked a lot of havoc before becoming just a cold. Mayas and Aztecs can tell.

Re: A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Post by avs733 »

autokad wrote: post #21
justapassenger wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agenda of science - how dare they talk about vaccines or viruses jumping between spices. I read on Facebook while I was pooping, that vaccines are evil and don't work, and viruses only exists in our world, because people are engineering them! That's the truth, that has no agenda behind it! /s

wow, this is where hackernews has come. All the user stated was "its hard to take the article seriously with such an obvious agenda", something along those lines. and the community thought that was flaggable? this is where we come? welcome to the great censorship. Believe in all that is holy from a political left, and disbelievers shall be punished and removed from conversation. If you can't see agenda painting in th…

calling out stupidity is not censorship. Removing stupidity from a conversation on a private website is not censorship.

discussing 'agenda' is not a neutral comment or a meaningful contribution to discourse on this topic, it is stupidity.

Re: A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Post by a_t48 »

autokad wrote: post #21
justapassenger wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agenda of science - how dare they talk about vaccines or viruses jumping between spices. I read on Facebook while I was pooping, that vaccines are evil and don't work, and viruses only exists in our world, because people are engineering them! That's the truth, that has no agenda behind it! /s

wow, this is where hackernews has come. All the user stated was "its hard to take the article seriously with such an obvious agenda", something along those lines. and the community thought that was flaggable? this is where we come? welcome to the great censorship. Believe in all that is holy from a political left, and disbelievers shall be punished and removed from conversation. If you can't see agenda painting in th…

I wasn't one of the flaggers, but the comment was pretty insubstantial and somewhat inflammatory; I am 0 percent surprised it got flagged.

Edit: every article put on the internet has an agenda. From pushing for vaccines to making the author money to spreading valuable technical information. "Having an agenda" is not cause to not take an article seriously.

Re: A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Post by HarryHirsch »

colechristensen wrote: post #16
HarryHirsch wrote: post #11

So - how did this virus spread through the population? 20 kyrs ago people didn't live in cities but in small bands of a few dozen people. It's easy to see how an epidemic might spread through a village but how would it move between isolated groups?

Groups interacted with each other. A large reason that humans are found more or less everywhere on the planet was pressure from interacting with other humans.

They absolutely did but how frequently? The first villages in China are attested 7500 BCE, that's 10 kyr later, if the dating is correct.

Re: A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Post by sinsterizme »

nonameiguess wrote: post #10

People keep posting archive links to "non-paywalled" copies, but the study itself has freely available full-text not behind a paywall. No need to read the NY Times at all. Just go straight to the source: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(21)...

I’d personally rather read the NYT article because it’s much easier to understand as a layman

Re: A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Post by binarymax »

“It should make us worry,” said David Enard, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona who led the study, which was published on Thursday in the journal Current Biology. “What is going on right now might be going on for generations and generations.”

Should it though? Seems like we've survived this many times as a species, and now have the technology to combat it! I'm more optimistic with this information, and hopefully we can eradicate coronavirus forever with mRNA and next-gen vaccinations.

Re: A coronavirus epidemic hit 20k years ago, new study finds

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Post by autokad »

avs733 wrote: post #23
autokad wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wow, this is where hackernews has come. All the user stated was "its hard to take the article seriously with such an obvious agenda", something along those lines. and the community thought that was flaggable? this is where we come? welcome to the great censorship. Believe in all that is holy from a political left, and disbelievers shall be punished and removed from conversation. If you can't see agenda painting in th…

calling out stupidity is not censorship. Removing stupidity from a conversation on a private website is not censorship. discussing 'agenda' is not a neutral comment or a meaningful contribution to discourse on this topic, it is stupidity.

the idea that the universe started from an arbitrarily small size and expanded was once considered stupidity.

the idea that Iraq might not have WMD was once considered stupidity (even by those on the left). "BUT THE UN INSPECTORS SAID SO!"

The idea that we might want to wear masks to protect ourselves in crowded public places was considered stupidity. "THE WHO SAID MASKS DONT WORK! FOUCI SAID!"

calling something stupid is not censorship, removing something you feel is stupid is. You feeling this way, is certainly stupid.

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