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Re: Burnout Is Real

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Having been in a similar situation, my sympathies; I've found it to be a very strange sensation. The burnt-out knows exactly what work tasks they need to do, they know that it's easily within their own capabilities, and they (at a conscious level at least) even desperately want to do the tasks to fulfill their professional obligations (or to simply continue getting paid). But the body just will not do it or forcing i…

OMG you've nailed exactly what I've been feeling for the past six months or so. :/

Take it seriously. I don't know if there's a ton of studies around this, but IMHO there's a lot of anecdata that suggests that this sort of burnout can be a lot like other bodily trauma... a little bit of it isn't permanent, but if you ignore it and keep re-traumatizing yourself, it can become permanent.

I've never personally experienced true burnout, but I also have a policy of taking it seriously and making sure that I do something about it long before it becomes a permanent trauma, and I have had to call a couple of multi-week vacations with relatively short notice, or perhaps announce a vacation a month before the end of some important project. Sometimes it's even as simple as waking up on Friday and just realizing that today is a "Nope!" and taking it off. I think if you nip it in the bud you often may not even need to do it that often. But take it seriously.

And if your job won't let you do that, take seriously the possibility of finding a new one. Yeah, finding a new job sucks, but permanently burning out sucks way more.

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Made this comment elsewhere, but having gone through two of these (one shorter and the recent one much larger), I think the best thing anyone can do for themselves is make a "break glass in case of burnout" plan where they save up margin (money, vacation days, etc) during the good times so that when the famine hits part of the stress isn't the painted-in-corner feeling of "I need a break but have no margin to take on…

Save up money, 100%.

Be very careful about saving up vacation days to bank against burnout. That's a recipe for having a solution which caused the problem it's a solution to.

Something I've been dealing with is that for the last ~15 months, the concept of a vacation didn't even make sense. I took some weeks off, once because I just couldn't work and once on purpose, but as a remote worker for four years, that's really not a vacation in any meaningful sense.

That and pandemic stress are going to push a lot of people to burnout. My suggestion is that everyone take a real vacation as soon as life circumstances make that possible, if you haven't already.

Re: Burnout Is Real

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So odd, I just bought a car paint renovation kit and kept looking at detailing tutorials. There's something magical about these kind of tasks. Focus, physical stimuli, patience, regularity... also none of this is about disrupting a planet scale field, just making something new and pretty. It's not the first time this idea is thrown though, I heard MIT reopened their glasswork labs. PS: one craft that seems even bette…

For me it's something about the inputs and the outputs being more strongly connected. I put in 30 min of sanding, I get X done--I put in 60 min, I get 2X done. Same with cleaning/mowing. Put programming? Often bang my head for 4 hours and then figure it out in 4 minutes the next day.

Re: Burnout Is Real

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This seems like a load of bullshit to me. Some LinkedIn Lunatic level crap He starts off by telling us he's burnt out and then jumps immediately to discussing how he turned a hobby into a full time job... Sounds like a cycle. "Its not an ego trip" but I will spend 17 tweets talking about myself

I like your different opinion on this subject. It’s nice to see some dissent on this site.

1. There is a tendency on this website for people to post concepts of "Let me pat myself on the back for saving my life." Kinda like an Alcoholic that stops drinking and expecting a reward. Saving your life or saving yourself from depression is the reward.

2. Why does this have to be written in small form paragraphs on Twitter? Are we incapable of stringing more than 2 paragraphs together?

3. I quit being a miserable/depressed coder and now I’m happy.

4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHtPpMVB9no

Re: Burnout Is Real

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Is detailing an euphemism for cleaning? Seriously curious : not a native speaker.

It implies a much higher level of service. A high end car wash (full service including interior vacuuming and wiping down surfaces) is about $30 (yes, bay area prices). “Detailing” would probably be $200 or more and means leaving your car there all morning.

Re: Burnout Is Real

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If you're done with the tech industry, and your wife finds her dream job and your kids need a dad at home, I can recommend folding laundry. It is like car detailing, but you love your customers even more.

Life is a one way trip, make it count. And support your wife's dreams.

Re: Burnout Is Real

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I don’t know how to frame this well and I apologize in advance. But I think this idea of “oh wow burnout is real I’m so woke” is a privileged person problem. I don’t mean that burnout is a first world problem, but that this “Burnout is real” is. I struggle to put my head in a place where I can be amazed that burnout is real and that I have to warn others of this “thing” as if it’s not part of millions of people’s liv…

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Re: Burnout Is Real

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OMG you've nailed exactly what I've been feeling for the past six months or so. :/

Can you alternate gigs ? I found this to be a great fix (maybe transient though). Manual labour 4h, coding 4h. Aiming at drag free day.

I found it useful to start a private project, find something fancy and interesting to get lost in and spark the creative juices. In other words work less, play more.

Re: Burnout Is Real

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Those things you mention aren’t really the chains you make them out to be. You can sell your house and move somewhere affordable. Poor people have kids all the time, a lot of times they are even smart! What you feel chained to is your ritzy lifestyle. Your wife and kids won’t resent you for not providing all that fancy shit, but they will resent you for working yourself until there’s nothing left for them.

Not for nothing, but what you're saying is both classist and doesn't take into account the reality of friendships and roots that can take hold in a place after you've settled in. Things may be expensive, and you may feel trapped on the hedonic treadmill, but moving to a new city or a lower COL area may not be a realistic option for many people.

Classist against who? Land owners? Color me unmoved.
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