Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling • Hacker News Board

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by mint2 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 3:44 PM UTC

slowhand09 wrote: post #16

bogota wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t do this here. I see you are new but its not a comment that adds anything to the discussion and is not discourse that is welcome on HN.

It does add to the discussion. The Orange Man raised many good points which people gaslighted the public about. Hydrocloriquine for one. Drs determined when used correctly it is one of the more effective agents.

As I say in my other comment, Policy needs to be data driven, not driven by complete speculation. Later it doesn’t matter what comes out if at the time the “theory” policies were based on were unfounded speculation. That is grossly negligent. Timing matters. And all of these matters are still speculation.

Based on the best data at the time, advocating hydroxychloroquine was grossly negligent, and while there still isn’t good studies that say different being data driven means using the best available data at the time to make decisions not being a time traveler and using future data. Here is a contemporary article on the drug https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/hydroxychloroquine...

And here are a few more on the topic: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/technology/hydroxychloroq...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/politics/trump-fact-ch...

None of those stories seem unfair reporting.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by airhead969 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 3:47 PM UTC

On the next installment of speculative FUD, mainstream media, agenda-driven reporting:

Do the Chinese subsidize supervillains' labs to manufacture pandemics to kill themselves and the world?

Do the Chinese drink the blood of young children? If so, what does it taste like and what food pairings work best?Does the dog Fluffy get to have a taste?

What should we do to thwart the ascending Red Menace while America crumbles from within like Rome 2.0?

This isn't about news, it's about yellow (no pun intended) journalism to serve Western corporate interests.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by airhead969 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 3:49 PM UTC

mrkstu wrote: post #18

Flatcircle wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This insane gaffe should be taught in schools, and the driver of these articles and organizer of these facts should be found and studied.

I think everyone is quite aware of the driving force behind these ‘gaffes.’

I remember I heard about something called Russiagate, but history never-ever repeats itself. EVER.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by jimmygrapes » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 3:51 PM UTC

mint2 wrote: post #10

jaz2130 wrote: post #6

But I thought le evil orange man said it came from a lab, and therefore it must be false and debunked? That’s what The Washington Post told me to think last year.

The “orange man” as trump is called in the comment latched onto various utter speculations and tried to use them to absolve any responsibility to our poor preparation and response to the virus. And used it more to further a racist culture war than doing anything constructive. So yes, at a time when it was pure speculation used for a harmful agenda, the “orange man” was grossly irresponsible. And he acted like if it w…

Speaking of misinformation and speculation, I see you and others are still pushing the "ingesting bleach" blatant falsehood. You do yourself no favors.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by mint2 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 3:58 PM UTC

jimmygrapes wrote: post #24

mint2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “orange man” as trump is called in the comment latched onto various utter speculations and tried to use them to absolve any responsibility to our poor preparation and response to the virus. And used it more to further a racist culture war than doing anything constructive. So yes, at a time when it was pure speculation used for a harmful agenda, the “orange man” was grossly irresponsible. And he acted like if it w…

Speaking of misinformation and speculation, I see you and others are still pushing the "ingesting bleach" blatant falsehood. You do yourself no favors.

Americans are literally drinking bleach https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some...

Because trump did this: “At an April news conference, Trump wrongly suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential treatment, leading the makers of Lysol to release a statement saying "under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body”

My statement is supported. Please do not accuse me of “pushing blatant falsehoods” when even a cursory google provides concrete evidence that my claim is true.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by snet0 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 4:14 PM UTC

bbitmaster wrote: post #17

unanswered wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You weren't allowed to have that information at the start of the pandemic because, without the guiding hand of the media, you might have misinterpreted it and come to a then-racist conclusion.

I had all of this information, most of it from a little known "quarantined" subreddit. Luckily reddit didn't outright ban it for so many users proposing the "misinformed" lab leak theory. There was a lot of random/fake info but there was also very accurate information which was outright banned everywhere. and meanwhile I was watching the circus in the media, and wasn't allowed to even spread this "misinformation" Ser…

The problem is that you simply cannot "get the facts right" when the facts do not exist. We did not, and still do not, know where the virus came from.

It's very easy to look back and say "yes well of course this thing was just fake news, but they also censored this other thing that we now know was true!". Either platforms shouldn't censor anything in these situations, or we have to accept the realities of censorship under uncertainty.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by snet0 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 4:17 PM UTC

jaz2130 wrote: post #14

bogota wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t do this here. I see you are new but its not a comment that adds anything to the discussion and is not discourse that is welcome on HN.

What about my comment doesn’t add to the discussion? I find it pretty thought provoking that mainstream news said the Wuhan Lab Theory was conclusively debunked as false, and now there has been a complete narrative shift. Some, like the Washington Post, have actually gone back and retroactively edited their articles from that time period to hide this fact. It’s very telling that my earlier comment was flagged.

You should probably phrase your comment in that tone, instead of being needlessly antagonistic.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by snet0 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

mint2 wrote: post #10

jaz2130 wrote: post #6

But I thought le evil orange man said it came from a lab, and therefore it must be false and debunked? That’s what The Washington Post told me to think last year.

The “orange man” as trump is called in the comment latched onto various utter speculations and tried to use them to absolve any responsibility to our poor preparation and response to the virus. And used it more to further a racist culture war than doing anything constructive. So yes, at a time when it was pure speculation used for a harmful agenda, the “orange man” was grossly irresponsible. And he acted like if it w…

It's interesting that people are willing to provide the "we shouldn't make conclusions without facts" argument for hydroxychloroquine, but insist that they were "right" about the lab leak way back in March 2020 when nobody knew anything.

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by jaz2130 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

treeman79 wrote: post #8

jaz2130 wrote: post #6

But I thought le evil orange man said it came from a lab, and therefore it must be false and debunked? That’s what The Washington Post told me to think last year.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped.” - 1984

For those unaware, the Washington Post has gone back and retroactively edited their articles from when Trump was president, where they claimed that the lab leak theory was “debunked”

Journalism is dead, and apparently pointing that out on Hacker News will get your comment deleted for “not adding to the discussion”

Re: Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling

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Post by jaz2130 » Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

jimmygrapes wrote: post #24

mint2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “orange man” as trump is called in the comment latched onto various utter speculations and tried to use them to absolve any responsibility to our poor preparation and response to the virus. And used it more to further a racist culture war than doing anything constructive. So yes, at a time when it was pure speculation used for a harmful agenda, the “orange man” was grossly irresponsible. And he acted like if it w…

Speaking of misinformation and speculation, I see you and others are still pushing the "ingesting bleach" blatant falsehood. You do yourself no favors.

Yeah, it’s interesting his misinformation doesn’t get flagged or deleted.

Makes you wonder about the bias of moderators on HN.