According to wikipedia, France only has 20 million homes with broadband. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_...
And yet 18 Million file-sharers were tracked? Doesn't pass the smell test, sorry.
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#12France is nuts. Leave the people alone!
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's bad governance, but many governments have "previous form". About 5% of the population of the UK are regular cannabis users, with many many more being occasional users.
Woah, 5%? Do you have a citation for that?
I hate to be that person who points it out, but a trivial Google search will yield plenty of sources: http://www.google.com/search?q=uk+cannabis+user+population
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Woah, 5%? Do you have a citation for that?
I hate to be that person who points it out, but a trivial Google search will yield plenty of sources: http://www.google.com/search?q=uk+cannabis+user+population
OK, it seems higher than I thought. The number I had was "more than 3 million" (from [1]) which would be 5%. But it seems the number may be higher.
This is regular users. Occasional users and people who have tried it in the past, are both much higher figures.
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#15They emailed the subscribers .... does anybody check the mailbox that came with their connection? I know certainly don't!
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#16Enforcing laws that result in the criminalisation of a huge proportion of the population seems like bad governance if you ask me.
“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against—then you’ll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there it that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of lawbreakers—and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
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#17According to wikipedia, France only has 20 million homes with broadband. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_... And yet 18 Million file-sharers were tracked ? Doesn't pass the smell test, sorry.
Exactly my thought :) I suppose they probably tracked 18 millions separate "sharing activities", for instance 1.8 million people each sharing 10 different torrents.
edit: I just checked the linked article, and it's actually talking of 18 millions infractions from an undefined number of file sharers.
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#18According to wikipedia, France only has 20 million homes with broadband. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_... And yet 18 Million file-sharers were tracked ? Doesn't pass the smell test, sorry.
The story doesn't tell if all 18 million are French users. The tracking company Trident Media Guard could very well be operating globally. The ISPs reportedly only returned 900,000 identities which may be the French portion of the initial 18 million.
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#19[french citizen here]
Hadopi had a couple of effects:
* You know you've got 2 free warnings before you have to become careful, e.g. by subscribing to a VPN for a couple euros a day.
* Hadopi only monitors P2P; French movies and music massively migrated to megaupload et al.
* It has shown that many people are willing to pay a reasonable fee for unlimited media access, and that if majors won't take their money, then VPN and file sharing providers gladly will.
I hoped it would promote uncontrollable technologies such as darknets or F2F networks, but they've been way too inefficient to do that.
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#20Enforcing laws that result in the criminalisation of a huge proportion of the population seems like bad governance if you ask me.
“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against—then you’ll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only pow…
By Ayn Rand.