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Microsoft is bringing Android apps to Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft is bringing Android apps to Windows 11

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None is forcing you to do that. It's a feature that if you want to use it, you'll can from W11 onward.

I actively do not want this to become normalized. Things are bad enough as they currently stand, without further enabling appification and the degeneration of standards.

What degeneration of standards lmao. Desktop is the most degenerate of all platforms with their Electron cancer. At least on mobile it's mostly native.

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how can windows run android apps but linux which is base of android itself cannot do that ? what happened to arm and x86 differences? if rosetta stone thing is being done, why can't linux do that even natively on arm? edit: base=kernel

Android still uses bytecode for a lot of apps. Unless you're using Android NDK, which does have native code and requires different releases for different processors, ARM and x86 isn't really relevant. Intel even made an attempt into the smartphone CPU market with the Asus ZenFone 4 back in 2014 with an Intel Atom x86 processor running Android. Modern Pixelbooks (and other x86 Chromebooks) run Android apps fine too, a…

anbox is fine but the friction is just too great. last i tried was like year or two ago. it just ran stock apps. thats it.

my question was, why cant we use manjaro or ubuntu, double click on an apk and run it like an appimage? i am asking from the POV of an end user. I dont understand bytecode or ndk. if windows 11 can freely run an android app like it was a .exe, why cant my linux machine do that? anbox aside.

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54% of all tablets in USA maybe? It's more like 5.4% of all tablets in reality

Worldwide. In the US it is slightly higher. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide

That's the market share, not the number of tablets

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They wouldn't have Play Services, which gives all the power of the ecosystem. Just having a good desktop back country doesn't help anything in the mobile space, as Windows Phone showed. It also won't go without experienced hardware partners, and Samsung is already in Google's pocket, the other top dogs being Chinese, who don't look for fitting in the western markets anymore.

I always wondered if a WINE for Play Services was possible.

Alredy exists to a degree as microG.

https://microg.org/

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There are few categories of apps this targets. “Clubhouse for Android” category: avant- grade apps that launch first on Android or define android platform. Nonexistent. “Median phone user ecosystem:” The TikTok Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, YouTube, Snapchat, China app ecosystem and India app ecosystem. The experience of all these is bad on Windows browsers or unavailable. ”Games”: hard to say, because Windows is a…

The strategy here for Microsoft is pretty obvious. Windows is becoming a tablet OS first and foremost. However it is at best a 3rd target for app developers, once they have finished their iOS and Android versions. Natively supporting an Android app store allows them to get apps so users will want to buy the hardware, which in turn generates market share that gets developers interested.

Even in Windows 10, on hybrid laptops it is already a better experience than most Android tablets.

Around here when people aren't carrying an iPad, they are most certainly carrying either a Surface or a foldable Windows laptop.

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Google's well on their way to replacing Android, no? I thought a lot of their announcements at events the last couple years had been about their from-scratch Android replacement. Maybe another big company will pick it up, but if not, I don't see much benefit to the hobbyist community over the current status quo if Android gets "opened up" more but also loses 99+% of total corporate backing toward its development. Eve…

I don't think Google is in a position to "replace" Android. They simply don't control the hardware; they can ship Fuchsia to their Home assistants and thermostats, but when it comes to phones and personal computing devices, they don't have many cards to play (beyond Pixel, like 0.5% of the Android market). The power lies with hardware manufacturers and developers. Their new wearables partnership with Samsung may help…

Java was there first, and SavaJe OS could have been Android, but then Sun was screwed by Google.

And then there was this Pascal VM available across all 16 bit home computers, starting at the UCSD.

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Sure, its 20s tech (WASM), 10s tech (Web/PWA), 00s tech (Java), 90s tech (Java), 80s tech (Erlang/BEAM), jeeze even 50s tech (Lisp)... There are people who complain about how the industry is moving in cycles and how what's old is new again and how functional languages did that back in 1922. These people don't change the world; they just complain about how other people are changing it.

Huh? I don't see how what I was saying was complaining? Sure things sometimes happen in cycles, I did not even mention that, but it is not necessarily a bad thing. VMs, and byte codes are a tool, and have their place. However, they do have their limitations compared to natively compiled code.

Like?

Just because it is bytecode it doesn't mean it is interpreted.

> Unlike some other virtual-machine architectures in which the virtual instructions are interpreted at run time, TIMI instructions are never interpreted. They constitute an intermediate compile time step and are translated into the processor's instruction set as the final compilation step. The TIMI instructions are stored within the final program object, in addition to the executable machine instructions. This is how application objects compiled on one processor family (e.g., the original CISC AS/400 48-bit processors) could be moved to a new processor (e.g., PowerPC 64-bit) without re-compilation. An application saved from the older 48-bit platform can simply be restored onto the new 64-bit platform where the operating system discards the old machine instructions and re-translates the TIMI instructions into 64-bit instructions for the new processor.

From https://handwiki.org/wiki/IBM_System_i

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Is it just me or does anyone else think this is Microsoft's first step to create it's own Android fork eventually? I have been thinking what's really keeping the "new" Microsoft outside the smartphone game? Google creating a desktop OS market share is not really on the horizon. But if Microsoft takes the right steps it might venture out to smartphones again, and gain market share this time. The HN crowd may not be th…

> Google creating a desktop OS market share is not really on the horizon. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/the-worlds-second-mo... >> For ages now, every annual report on desktop operating system market share has had the same top two contenders: Microsoft's Windows in a commanding lead at number one and Apple's macOS in distant second place. But in 2020, Chrome OS became the second-most popular OS, and Apple f…

Mostly due to kids getting computers for home school as the situation we are all in.

The best chromebooks have a 64GB SSD for the price of a full Windows laptop.

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But why? I can think of exactly 0 Android apps I would like to run on my Windows desktop (and I've been an Android user since the original Samsung Galaxy S). Is this really something people crave to do?

Yes. I want to run Pleco on my desktop. I might also want to run wechat there, though that could run into a variety of issues.

WeChat actually has a Windows native client.

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Worldwide. In the US it is slightly higher. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide

That's the market share, not the number of tablets

What is number of tablets? The total number of shipped Tablet? Why would it matter if those tablet are not in use? Which is what the stats from Stats-counter are showing.
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