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Re: You should probably quit your job

#31

"Master, what shall I do until I reach enlightenment?" "Chop wood, carry water." "And what will I do after I reach enlightenment?" "Chop wood, carry water."

I think the point is:

"Master, then why bother?". "Before you will hate it. After you will love it."

Re: You should probably quit your job

#32
It's not quit your job. It's stop doing shit. Some companies like Facebook are changing the world. So by working on Facebook you are contributing to the world change that Facebook does.

The problem isn't with that. Life is full shit. You may not be a contributor to that, but many people are. Stop doing Shit. If you are a programmer and you know that your presence adds no value then quit!

Stop doing Shit. Go and do interesting things. Doesn't matter if you are working for someone else or you are employing people.

Re: You should probably quit your job

#33

I don't actually feel the need to change the world. There are some things I enjoy tinkering with, and I've been involved in a couple of minor political causes, but I clearly don't feel the same urge that this person does to get out there and remake the world. And so I am not likely to quit my job (which pays quite nicely, doesn't overstress me, and brings me the security to relax at the weekends and in the evenings)…

Yup, I read Guy Kawasaki's "Art of the Start" where he says you should make a startup and change the world. It's incredibly frightening to think that, and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone.

Very few people change the world in the sense the author means (Mark Zuckerberg, Larry/Sergey, loads of scientists, etc).

But if you can set out to change someones world, I think you'll find your work more interesting and rewarding.

Re: You should probably quit your job

#34
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who feel some overwhelming need to Change The World are basically projecting: Their "world" (internal mental landscape, personal life, whatever) is in desperate need of an overhaul. (Edit: I know because this was me, say, 20 to 30 years ago. Then I fixed my personal crap. I no longer feel like lecturing everyone else about what they "should" be doing.) I won't even read the piece. I skimmed it. This is the clo…

Right. Most people that have really improved the world have not done so by telling other people what to do, but by doing something themselves. But I think you're wrong in that everyone that tries to change the world only has personal issues to overcome, and if they do everything is alright. Believing that is pretty much solipsism. Sometimes the world really is wrong and can be fixed.

Very few people have an objective perception of "the world," and and so ideas about what is "wrong" and how to "fix" it are therefore almost always flawed.

Re: You should probably quit your job

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your goal in life is essentially to relax?

Good Lord No. I also want to make life better for my fiancee, and make sure that I'm in a secure position for raising children. If my job was making me unhappy then I'd move to a different one. And I've quit jobs before when the management were doing things I disapproved of. And I give money to charity, and (as I said) get involved in occasional political things (like the voting reform referendum earlier this year).

In a reasonably ideal world, most normal jobs are actually useful, too... It's not as if only charity work is worthwhile.

Re: You should probably quit your job

#36
post #32

It's not quit your job. It's stop doing shit. Some companies like Facebook are changing the world. So by working on Facebook you are contributing to the world change that Facebook does. The problem isn't with that. Life is full shit. You may not be a contributor to that, but many people are. Stop doing Shit. If you are a programmer and you know that your presence adds no value then quit! Stop doing Shit. Go and do in…

I agree with your basic sentiment but not your example. Facebook are certainly changing things, but change is not automatically good.

Re: You should probably quit your job

#37
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post #11

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I don't think people are opposed, just skeptical.

Sure they are, I debated enough to recognize that. I even debated with medical professionals and scientists to this effect. They think it's "unnatural" (whatever that means). For a short while there, my post had a negative score. They don't like to engage, but they are opposed.

So suppose you can keep old people healthy, strong, mentally sharp, etc. at what point do they get out of the way? 100 years? 110? 150? You must see that at some point the population becomes unsustainable if the old never die off.

Re: You should probably quit your job

#38
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post #11

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I don't think people are opposed, just skeptical.

Sure they are, I debated enough to recognize that. I even debated with medical professionals and scientists to this effect. They think it's "unnatural" (whatever that means). For a short while there, my post had a negative score. They don't like to engage, but they are opposed.

Well, here's why I'm skeptical (or let's just say opposed if you prefer) - overpopulation is already a problem, and substantially lengthening life expectancy will only make that worse. Basically, I'm afraid we're closer to solving our medical problems than we are to solving our planet-supporting-our-population problems. If we solve the latter in tandem, then I'm on board.

Or are you only talking about quality-of-life improvements, rather than lengthening life expectancy? Assuming this is even possible, I think the problem with it would be the psychological toll of a death to the survivors - while always sad, the death of an elderly loved one is less jarring than the death of a loved one in their prime ("it was his time") - so keeping everyone in their prime right up until their death would eliminate a powerfully useful coping mechanism.

Re: You should probably quit your job

#39
post #32

It's not quit your job. It's stop doing shit. Some companies like Facebook are changing the world. So by working on Facebook you are contributing to the world change that Facebook does. The problem isn't with that. Life is full shit. You may not be a contributor to that, but many people are. Stop doing Shit. If you are a programmer and you know that your presence adds no value then quit! Stop doing Shit. Go and do in…

  > It's not quit your job. It's stop doing shit.
Yep. Just yesterday I came across the great piece (imho) on this topic. Just ignore the introductory first sentence in Lithuanian and read on: http://www.dansu.lt/2011/07/13/svecio-irasas-daniel-vaarik-m...

I think it applies to much more than one industry in one small country.

Re: You should probably quit your job

#40
Judging by this example of navel-gazing journalism, yes, maybe it's good the author quit his job and started a charity. The fact that he feels it's ok to publicly question his daughters ambitions to prove a dubious point further illustrates that he's not in a spot to contribute to the discussion about the value of people's career choices.

The whole idea of a limited time in your life where you can make a difference is ridiculous and choosing other journalists and managers as examples of people who have seen the light and quit their jobs just reaffirms my choice of an engineering career. Maybe I'm not finding the cure for cancer but at least I'm not sitting around dispensing bad advice.

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