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It's been clear to me we're at the tail end of the golden age of online videos and I and many others have been furiously downloading in preparation for the inevitable.

More than anything I think the web of hyperlinks is dead. We have collectively decided that anything that isn't "news" isn't valuable, so the old web of interlocking hyperlinks has made way for a new web of content feeds. It makes me sad, too.

I think it is going through a pupation period. :)

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This makes me sad, I remember quite a few unlisted videos going around for one reason or the other over the years. Videos meant to be watched, mind. There's lots of old stuff on YouTube from long dead small channels. This stuff rots and disappears over time with nobody around to maintain it. I guess it's a good reminder that everything needs maintenance. Something similar, but much more dramatic, happened once they g…

It's been clear to me we're at the tail end of the golden age of online videos and I and many others have been furiously downloading in preparation for the inevitable.

How? where do you save it all and how do you find the time?

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post #153

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We've always been at war with Eastasia.

I love me a random 1984 reference… care to explain what’s wrong with honouring user requests to delete their data?

In my opinion, once the video is added to my list, at least the name should become my data.

Also I seriously doubt that all those missing videos were requested to be deleted by the user. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of them were taken down by youtube's ridiculous and mostly broken takedown bots. There should be consequences for frivolous takedowns.

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The chance of your self hosted server going down, being hacked, catching fire, etc is infinitely more likely than google drive being shut down so fast you can't switch to something else. At this point the advice is moving towards "Don't even have a video if you can't be bothered designing a CPU from scratch to host it on". Keep a local backup by all means but it's far more likely the local copy will get lost than the…

I'm a little skeptical of that, especially in the scenario that it's a "don't want to look at it much" situation. I've had VM's running for many, many years in an autoupgrade scenario, and it tends to just work. And the security risks are often overstated as long as you tried to minimize attack surface; so; for instance I for a while tried to track all related security issues - and at the very least 95% are irrelevan…

I have seen plenty of these servers left unattended for years and they all build up weird issues like time drifting out of sync, log files filling the disk, hackers somehow getting in and setting up crypto miners.

None of this is stuff the average company needs to deal with when youtube works just fine. I'm sure you can list out all the ways to avoid those listed problems but that just shows how much work and knowledge is needed to pull this off while anyone can use youtube.

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YouTube is probably a more reliably backup in the vast majority of cases than whatever internal backup the company would come up with.

How can anyone rely on a third party business to host content for free, forever? Just because it’s worked for years doesn’t make it so forever. The trust and reliance on Google for free video hosting seems both foolish and dangerous.

Nothing is forever, including your own copies. Put it on youtube and keep a local backup. Most likely the local backup will get lost before the youtube one does. It's most likely the youtube copy will last longer than your company does.

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post #140

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I have a script running nightly to backup my playlists

How many playlists do you have/create daily?

Just half a dozen. I only backup a set list of playlists (just an array of playlist IDs in bash I periodically change).

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post #162

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YouTube is probably a more reliably backup in the vast majority of cases than whatever internal backup the company would come up with.

How can anyone rely on a third party business to host content for free, forever? Just because it’s worked for years doesn’t make it so forever. The trust and reliance on Google for free video hosting seems both foolish and dangerous.

Unless you are running a sole proprietorship, any business is composed entirely of 'third parties'.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nature_of_the_Firm for a classic take on the subject.

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post #149

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It's been clear to me we're at the tail end of the golden age of online videos and I and many others have been furiously downloading in preparation for the inevitable.

Not just videos, any online content is subject to loss. If you see something and like it, save it locally and back it up, whether its a video, image, text post, or an entire website.

Yeah bitrot is way worse than people imagine. About ten years ago (wow time flies) I ran an experiment to validate hyperlinks and measure bitrot and even then, links older than a few years did not work. This is why we will be leaning ever harder on stuff like the Internet Archive (thank you Jason!) as big ass media companies keep turning the screws to confine our attentions to their content while spending considerable effort to attack outside content.

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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It's been clear to me we're at the tail end of the golden age of online videos and I and many others have been furiously downloading in preparation for the inevitable.

How? where do you save it all and how do you find the time?

Hello! Data hoarders [0] like myself use tons of automation for this task. For online videos specifically, I watch them locally so as to avoid as much telemetry as possible, and when I see a video I want to watch, I save it to a playlist. Then I have youtube-dl set up so that it will sync with the playlist and download any new videos that it doesn't already have. Your question about finding the time is on the money: The "choice" we are given is a complete farce, and time is the main way the monopolies turn the screws on getting you to behave the way they want. They make it exceptionally time-consuming to NOT give them everything they want. I spend an infurating amount of time not trusting my phone or my computer, and refusing to allow telemetry of any kind. I'm not married and have no children, and those things certainly make the problem that much more difficult. People seem to not give a shit about this nightmare dystopia we've built, they just want to connect their iPhone to your wifi network to they can shovel more data into tiktok or whatever. The more people you have in your life, the harder it becomes to "choose" not to give up (an inevitably insane amount of) your telemetry. It fucking sucks!! I am slowly feeling more and more helpless and now I even feel like I might have some understanding about that guy who flew a Cessna into that IRS building "lol".

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/

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