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The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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Any idea what Dell is actually selling them? The DVR's we buy (Avigilon) are white Dell 7x0's with a custom white bezel, but those only fit 18 3.5" drives.

I’d love to know this as well. Dell doesn’t have anything remotely close to what Backblaze was designing/building themselves.

So did they do something custom (unlikely at this volume) or did Backblaze change their hardware approach?

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd think they could build a ARM-powered, credit card sized controller for them with a disk breakout card and network IO. PC motherboard and full-sized cards seem like overkill.

They're running a fair bit of math (probably Reed Solomon matrix multiplications for error correction) over all the data accesses. Given the bandwidth of 60+ hard drives (150MB/s per hard drive x 60 == 9GB/s in/out), I'm pretty sure you need a decent CPU just to handle the PCIe traffic. At least PCIe 3.0 x16, just for the hard drives. And then another x16 for network connections (multiple PHY for Fiber in/out that ca…

> Given the bandwidth of 60+ hard drives (150MB/s per hard drive x 60 == 9GB/s in/out)

Given their scale and goal, it would be pretty wasteful to build it to max the writing speed of all hard drives. Considering you rarely write on the pod, you would be better of getting a fraction of that speed and writing on multiple pods at the same time to get the required peak performance.

In fact actually that makes much more sense to put that math on some ingests server and theses hard drive servers would simply write the resulting data. It makes it much easier and faster to divide it over 20 pods like they currently do.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're running a fair bit of math (probably Reed Solomon matrix multiplications for error correction) over all the data accesses. Given the bandwidth of 60+ hard drives (150MB/s per hard drive x 60 == 9GB/s in/out), I'm pretty sure you need a decent CPU just to handle the PCIe traffic. At least PCIe 3.0 x16, just for the hard drives. And then another x16 for network connections (multiple PHY for Fiber in/out that ca…

> Given the bandwidth of 60+ hard drives (150MB/s per hard drive x 60 == 9GB/s in/out) Given their scale and goal, it would be pretty wasteful to build it to max the writing speed of all hard drives. Considering you rarely write on the pod, you would be better of getting a fraction of that speed and writing on multiple pods at the same time to get the required peak performance. In fact actually that makes much more s…

Definitely limited by the 1gbps or even 10gbs network connection

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

#55

Any idea what Dell is actually selling them? The DVR's we buy (Avigilon) are white Dell 7x0's with a custom white bezel, but those only fit 18 3.5" drives.

Could be the MD3060e with an R650 server? https://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/shared-content/data-shee...

Your link 404s, I think it's the extra character on the end.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

#56

Did the surge in Chia mining affect global hard drive prices at all?

Not for hyperscalers like BackBlaze. They have contracts with specific purchase quotas and guaranteed price deltas. Chia has certainly affected prices on the secondary markets, there hasn't been a better time in the past decade to be a secondary server "junk" seller on eBay! NetApp 4246 JBOD's are going for $1000! Absolutely insane!

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

#57

Any idea what Dell is actually selling them? The DVR's we buy (Avigilon) are white Dell 7x0's with a custom white bezel, but those only fit 18 3.5" drives.

I’d love to know this as well. Dell doesn’t have anything remotely close to what Backblaze was designing/building themselves. So did they do something custom (unlikely at this volume) or did Backblaze change their hardware approach?

Not quite the same, but they do have something like the Pods, but a bit more modular:

It's their PowerEdge MX platform, which allows you to slot in different "sleds" for storage/compute etc. as needed. It can take 7 storage sleds for a total of 112 drivers per chasis.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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I'm curious what is being used for the drives (and to a lesser extent, memory) - Dell or OEM and how does support work? We sell a lot of Dell and for base models, it is very economical compared to self built. The moment however we add a few high capacity hard drives or memory, all bets are off the table and it's usually 1.75-4x the price of a white box part. I get not supporting the part itself, but, had them not sup…

Backblaze has usually sourced their own hard drives, and I suspect they still are/will. (The post didn't seem to indicate otherwise.) Every year they post a summary of what models they're working with and how they perform, which is usually good reading. This is last year's: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-fo... .

The post didn't seem to indicate otherwise

That appeared to depend on whether the vendor imposed massive markups on the drives. However they also mentioned service etc.: If they struck a deal with Dell, then Dell might be perfectly happy to sell the servers at a very modest profit while making their money on the service agreement.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

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I'm surprised Dell don't make they buy hard drives from them at a substantial mark-up, as they allude to vendors doing earlier in the story.

Dell me be very happy to have a high volume customer with very standardized & predictable needs, and so they're happy with modest markups & extra profit on the service agreements, which is a nice benefit for Backblaze since building their own pods doesn't give them any service guarantee/warranty.

Re: The Next Backblaze Storage Pod

#60

Any idea what Dell is actually selling them? The DVR's we buy (Avigilon) are white Dell 7x0's with a custom white bezel, but those only fit 18 3.5" drives.

Based on the pictured bezel, it looks like they've got three rows 3.5" 14TB SATA drives up front in 14th generation carriers. Best guess would be something like an R740XD2 which has 26 total drive bays per 2U.
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