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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by bydo »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #253
AbraKdabra wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have really obsure stuff going on but I don't actually think they'll deny it even if you're not connected, that'll raise a LOT of legal actions against them.

It sounds like it will, actually, deny access if you aren't connected. This is for Windows 11 Home, not Pro. Also, as for legal actions, strongly doubt it. Apple has required an Apple ID on their iPhones and iPads for years during setup.

>Apple has required an Apple ID on their iPhones and iPads for years during setup.

No they haven't. The setup process encourages using an Apple ID, but it has never been required.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Strom »

Macha wrote: post #238
Strom wrote: post #5

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The primary slowdown factor on Windows is not the filesystem itself but Windows Defender doing its scans. Just disable it and file operations will be a lot faster.

If that was the case, would we not expect NTFS on Linux to be better, or at least competitive with other Linux filesystems?

Not necessarily, because for that comparison to work you would need a proper NTFS driver. Does one such even exist for Linux? Looking at the Debian wiki [1] there's either a FUSE driver or a limited feature set kernel driver. Neither looks like a proper optimized "enterprise ready" driver. These work fine for accessing some files, but comparing these in a benchmark would no doubt show their weakness.

Now even if NTFS is inherently a slower architecture than ext4 or something, that does not change the fact that this difference would be minimal compared to the absolute horror show that is the Windows Defender slowdown.

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[1] https://wiki.debian.org/NTFS

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by contravariant »

Spivak wrote: post #200
contravariant wrote: post #69

> Start utilizes the power of the cloud and Microsoft 365 to show you your recent files no matter what platform or device you were viewing them on earlier Well, consider me scared.

I mean this is basically just iCloud and users generally adore it. Having deep integration to say things like “get me the document I was working on my phone” or a global browser history search is really freakin cool.

I really don't need microsoft harvesting my personal documents and telemetry to power a start menu.

I'd be happy if they could finally get round to answering questions like "open the file called file.ext", rather than doing something terrifying like guessing what I might have meant by uploading absolutely everything to their own servers.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by binbag »

Silhouette wrote: post #244
distrill wrote: post #166

Everyone jokes about it finally being "the year of the linux desktop", but a few years ago that actually did happen to my circle. Between a mac for work and linux at home, I actually haven't touched windows in a number of years at this point, and interestingly, neither have a reasonable number of the technical people I interact with. Of the nontechnical people around me, many of them have transitioned to primarily us…

I think there are more people who are happy with (or at least tolerant of) Windows 10 than some of us geeks might like to admit. A lot of non-techie people aren't going to run into the negative aspects of Windows 10 much in practice. They aren't going to be changing enough settings to be frustrated by the multiple UIs. They won't look up each OS update online before deciding whether to install it. Many of them care l…

I'm a geek and I think Windows 10 is good. Sorry.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by TremendousJudge »

geocrasher wrote: post #44
masklinn wrote: post #42

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‘Course this is hampered by Windows 2000, which came concurrent to ME and was better than XP.

Yeah W2K was an oddity that way. I wasn't sure how to fit it in this. But TBH, it wasn't as well adopted as ME or XP and I didn't feel the need to wedge it in there. The point stands, with or without W2K in the mix.

>as well adopted as ME

was ME ever adopted by anyone? I saw more W2K machines than ME back in the day

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by MikusR »

Exmoor wrote: post #126
geocrasher wrote: post #35

My Primary concern with Windows 11 can be described as follows: 98 - ME XP - Vista 7 - 8 10 - 11 Has Microsoft broken the cycle? Time will tell.

Honestly, I find this to be a lazy trope. MS has certainly laid some eggs before, but the "every other version sucks" narrative relies a lot on revisionist thinking. Vista was a resource hog on the hardware of the time, but the UI was honestly a huge improvement and a lot of the complaining about Vista centered around security improvements the _ABSOLUTELY_ needed to happen. I suspect plenty of HN readers have memorie…

Or Windows 8.1 Update that was an improvement on 8.1.

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Post by 72deluxe »

boardwaalk wrote: post #256
kgraves wrote: post #205

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Windows also has Linux now. I can play Windows games and use Linux on Windows (WSL) I don’t see the point of running Linux distros on bare metal anymore.

The filesystem (NTFS) being god awful slow with large numbers of files is a good reason. It boggles my mind that Microsoft has not gotten around to making this better. Apple even introduced introduced a new FS (APFS) and migrated people silently and successfully.

I thought NTFS was pretty advanced with low-level compression and file streams etc. that I am not sure are available on APFS.

Apple had the luxury of doing an upgrade of everyone's filesystem under iOS as a test, then a rollback a few versions ago which is why it took so long to perform the upgrade.

Microsoft haven't got such a large userbase to test on (without permission).

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Post by hrez »

What I want is modern performant filesystem with checksumming for data/metadata, zstd, ssd-optimized, perhaps cow/snapshots. Basically I want btrfs.

ReFS was that promise but AFAIK it's still not bootable, mirror required, no compression. In short, unusable for non-servers.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by 72deluxe »

kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

XFCE, CDE, KDE and WindowMaker and AfterStep all had the same sort of dock look for many years.

At least we can finally go from one machine to another without too much of a difference or having to learn much - particularly good for those who only use what they "know".

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Silhouette »

binbag wrote: post #294
Silhouette wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are more people who are happy with (or at least tolerant of) Windows 10 than some of us geeks might like to admit. A lot of non-techie people aren't going to run into the negative aspects of Windows 10 much in practice. They aren't going to be changing enough settings to be frustrated by the multiple UIs. They won't look up each OS update online before deciding whether to install it. Many of them care l…

I'm a geek and I think Windows 10 is good. Sorry.

Objectively, a lot of it is. I think geeks are more likely to be concerned about the parts that aren't, and about the overall "Windows as a service" concept and the emphasis on connecting everything online.
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