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Introducing Windows 11

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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by necessities »

toomanyducks wrote: post #151
oblio wrote: post #14

> Windows is more than just an operating system; it’s a fabric woven into our lives and in our work. Folks, if you were thinking Windows 11 will bring less telemetry, you were wrong :-)

> Windows is more than justn operating system So we decided to make meaningless and confusing UI changes! Nevermind that billions of people rely on their knowledge of this OS's interface, fuck 'em! We're just so damn innovative all the time!

This! Just when everyone was finally getting used to Windows 10.... Finally...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by zxzax »

cblconfederate wrote: post #218
zxzax wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sales seem to be increasing, I wouldn't say it's a gimmick. Also touch support is not just for touchscreens, most laptops now have multi-touch touchpads where you can do gestures. Making a program support those already puts it significantly closer to having real touchscreen support, so it's not as hard or difficult as you'd imagine for older Windows programs to gain good tablet support.

maybe, but windows programs are so heterogeneous that i dont see how i will be able to use blender, browser, word, excel etc on a touchscreen . Besides, this "touch-first" approach has been tried with win8 and in my experience it was atrocious

The point with those laptops is, you use the keyboard when it makes sense, and you use the touchscreen when that makes sense. I think you're confusing "touch-first" with "having any support for touchscreens at all," some concessions need to be made if you don't want it to be totally unusable on a device like that which has an optional touchscreen.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cromka »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #209
coder543 wrote: post #13

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> this holiday Which holiday? Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year, Labor Day... Fourth of July? Maybe Halloween would be appropriate, given how scary any major Windows upgrade is to enterprise orgs. If they said "this holiday season ", that would probably mean December timeframe, but they don't say that. They repeat this confusing reference later on: > The free upgrade will begin to roll out to eligible Windows 10 PCs…

This was unclear to me as well. “This holiday” is not a phrase I’ve ever really heard in casual conversation or in the media register. I know the British “go on holiday” but that means vacation. Their PR/marketing department dropped the ball on this specific phrase. At the same time it seems that marketing department slip ups are common these days. If they mean Christmas time, I.e. December or winter, they should jus…

I'm quite sure it was supposed to say "this holiday season", which indeed would imply December?

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

There is a workaround for now: just press Alt-F4

See https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-home-requires-interne...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by marcthe12 »

GordonS wrote: post #260
EMM_386 wrote: post #252

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> I don't see why they need to change that to accommodate what appears to be little more than an unwanted UI refresh with more crappy AI-driven news feeds that nobody wants It's obviously a lot more complex than that. For example, they are dropping 32-bit support. You can't release an update that does something like that.

Ah, I confess I'd missed that. Would he interesting to know how many users were still on an x86 build though (I would have guessed around 7 ;) Is there anything more of substance though?

TPM hardware requirements. it's related to security so again

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Scramblejams »

Could 11 solve some of my Windows gripes? (experienced on Win 10 Pro and LTSC, not on a domain so no group policy applied) Unfortunately I doubt it:

For me, window focus handling has gotten noticeably worse in the past couple of years. A window will pop up, I'll start typing, the keypresses won't go into the window, then I'll hit alt+tab twice to switch away and then back, and then the keypresses will magically start landing. Anybody else notice this?

The lack of a proper inode-based filesystem means I'm frequently having to terminate processes during builds because something is holding open a file that needs to be replaced. It's 2021. Linux and MacOS don't have this problem, when will this finally get solved?

My laptop sometimes turns into a jet engine because one of many aggressive background processes goes nuts for a short period. Which one varies -- it could be Compatibility Telemetry (tried turning it off, didn't stay off), Superfetch, search indexing, etc. Especially frustrating when I'm on battery.

Suspend doesn't always stay suspended. Too many times I've pulled a hot laptop out of a backpack. I've tried all the Internet-suggested fixes to no avail, so I had to give up on suspend.

The start menu at some point became non-deterministic, so I can't use muscle memory to open things without looking. For example when I hit the start menu and type "bash", half the time "Git Bash" is the highlighted option, half the time it's WSL's bash.

The start menu has been corrupted by Cortana. Sometimes figuratively, where it doesn't immediately respond to keypresses because it's apparently trying to load something and finally stutters open. Sometimes literally, where text search stops working for local apps and the only fix is to reinstall Windows. (Tried all of the internet-suggested fixes, tried an experienced Windows IT guy, etc.)

The installer's lack of flexibility and compatibility is horrible. Not a problem if you only ever get Windows on a new PC, but for those of us who re/install things, it's horrible. Even Debian's text installer is more flexible and reliable than what MS gives us. Now when I install Windows on a dual boot system I keep Linux on a separate device and remove the Linux device before installing Windows, just so Windows won't put its EFI config on the wrong drive (yep, that happened).

Don't get me started on the user hostile telemetry, how awful the event viewer is when you're trying to figure out what's going wrong, rebooting despite me telling it not to, the unwanted game installs (on Pro!) just so the App Store group can claim some success story, etc. And I've got more but it's almost too easy...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by bugfix »

taviso wrote: post #239
bugfix wrote: post #127

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Apparently, my 3yo desktop isn't compatible (Gigabyte Z270X Ultra). I really doubt people will upgrade their hardware just to use Windows 11.

That doesn't sound right, search around in the BIOS for "Platform Trust Technology" or "PTT". If it's disabled, change it to enabled.

Just enabled PTT in the BIOS, but the tool still says my computer is not compatible (but it doesn't tell me exactly why).

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by unicornporn »

thunderbong wrote: post #250
unicornporn wrote: post #15

So, yet another level of UI inconsistencies[1]. [1] https://ntdotdev.wordpress.com/2021/02/06/state-of-the-windo...

Comment on the Reddit thread where this screenshot was posted - https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/o1x183/the_famou ... The ODBC Driver interface for configuration is tied to the old dialog. The interface for the drivers was designed around GetOpenFileName() as it was at the time. One of the features of GetOpenFileName/GetSaveFileName is that the structure passed in can include two special options- a functio…

Thanks for the read. Actually, I have no problem with Win95 (and previous) era UI components, it's the layers of inconsistencies on top of that bothers me. The Windows 95 is still the best Windows UI of all times.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by ValentineC »

croes wrote: post #41

>Why Microsoft is calling Windows 10 'the last version of Windows' https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve... There you see again what Microsoft's statements are worth.

My guess is that Microsoft didn't want to move away from the 10 moniker, but Apple's release of Big Sur as macOS 11 meant that they had to keep up with versioning to stay competitive with marketing.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Jayschwa »

pier25 wrote: post #262
Strom wrote: post #67

Apparently the Home edition will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection. [1] Can't say I'm looking forward to this. All my Windows installations are with local accounts and I would like to keep it that way. Microsoft has already made it incredibly obnoxious to achieve this with the latest Windows 10 setups, where you have to make sure your computer is not connected to the internet to even unlock the f…

I'll keep using Windows 10 Home then. Thankfully I only use that machine for gaming.

I replaced Windows with Linux for gaming a couple years ago, due in part to Valve's Proton. It's not perfect, but I estimate 80% of the games I play "just work" and require no tweaking. The state of things for your set of games can be evaluated with https://www.protondb.com.
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