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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by CountDrewku » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

distrill wrote: post #166

Everyone jokes about it finally being "the year of the linux desktop", but a few years ago that actually did happen to my circle. Between a mac for work and linux at home, I actually haven't touched windows in a number of years at this point, and interestingly, neither have a reasonable number of the technical people I interact with. Of the nontechnical people around me, many of them have transitioned to primarily us…

I'm guessing the "technical" people are software engineers or designers. Windows is still very much in use at large enterprises which means you have a lot of technical people supporting businesses that use it and I don't see that changing soon. Show me a good alternative to AD, group policy etc. that allows the granular control on the back end like Windows does.

I wouldn't look forward to training anyone to use Linux or Apple products that's not familiar with them already.

Additionally, I still can't get my camera or mic to work on Ubuntu on my Dell XPS 9700, tried Mint as well and the wifi doesn't work on it. Linux needs to address its multiple driver inconsistencies (or Dell does) before it'll ever become the norm in a business environment. The only other 2 viable computer manufacturers for businesses are really Lenovo and HP which have problems too.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by GordonS » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

pier25 wrote: post #16

> We’re also pumped to announce that we are bringing Android apps to Windows for the first time This is super cool, but honestly I don't see myself using any Android apps on Windows.

The way it's worded also implies it's going to be a loooong road before it's anything like production ready.

Like you though, I can't imagine why I'd want to use Android apps on my desktop... I'd prefer to use my Android phone/tablet, where such apps were designed to run. Now, I'm thinking maybe I'm not the target market for this feature... but then I wonder, who is? For example, they mention TikTok - does your average TikTok user even have a Windows PC? And if so, why would they prefer to sit in front of a desktop to view short videos, rather than their phone or TV?

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by abosley » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

distrill wrote: post #166

Everyone jokes about it finally being "the year of the linux desktop", but a few years ago that actually did happen to my circle. Between a mac for work and linux at home, I actually haven't touched windows in a number of years at this point, and interestingly, neither have a reasonable number of the technical people I interact with. Of the nontechnical people around me, many of them have transitioned to primarily us…

From wikipedia: " Microsoft Windows is the most commonly installed OS, at approximately between 74% (based on web use) and 97.03% (based on use for gaming) globally"

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by olyjohn » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

pier25 wrote: post #11

kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

I agree, but File Explorer seems to be the same ugly mess...

That's the thing with these Windows UI updates. It looks great until you fire up some application like Office and then it suddenly it's the same interface you were using before. Then you have this weird mix of aesthetics.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by 2Gkashmiri » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

if yellow journalism pays so much that microsoft is hell bent on shoving "personalised news feed" down peoples throats afer msn homepage on browsers and now on the desktop, why do news outlets beg for "dont block ads, we need ad revenue or buy subscription"? just take that from microsoft and be done with it

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Koshkin » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #162

dekhn wrote: post #57

The only real question is, will I still be able to get to the Network card configuration page that's been the same for the last 15-20 years? I use it daily. They've just put it behind more and more "nicce looking, but non-functional" network management UIs,.

Oh yeah.. I fucking hate Windows 10, a few weeks ago I had to check these settings and I got lost every time.. I think they've completed the web-pagization of the control panel nowadays.

Linux desktop is getting there... (Not sure, though, what an "ideal" UNIX desktop is supposed to be like.)

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by valine » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

kgraves wrote: post #205

valine wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been running Linux on my personal desktop for years now. Unless you want to play games or require it for work I'm not sure what advantages windows really has anymore. Linux is noticeably faster, has no ads, and is Unix based.

Windows also has Linux now. I can play Windows games and use Linux on Windows (WSL) I don’t see the point of running Linux distros on bare metal anymore.

Bare metal Linux is much faster than Linux on windows in my experience.

Also does nothing to address all the other windows rot like ads in the start menu and excessive telemetry.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cblconfederate » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

zxzax wrote: post #178

cblconfederate wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but how are their sales doing? given the kind of apps that run on a PC, i think the touchscreen is just a gimmick that is barely used. Windows programs are just not made for tablets, and will never be

The sales seem to be increasing, I wouldn't say it's a gimmick. Also touch support is not just for touchscreens, most laptops now have multi-touch touchpads where you can do gestures. Making a program support those already puts it significantly closer to having real touchscreen support, so it's not as hard or difficult as you'd imagine for older Windows programs to gain good tablet support.

maybe, but windows programs are so heterogeneous that i dont see how i will be able to use blender, browser, word, excel etc on a touchscreen .

Besides, this "touch-first" approach has been tried with win8 and in my experience it was atrocious

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cblconfederate » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

bluedino wrote: post #87

cblconfederate wrote: post #2

Rounded corners and touchscreens, is that windows 8/vista again? What i want from windows is speed . More and more people are going to be using them to work from home, and not on a tablet or a laptop, but on a good old desktop pc, their sales are going up. What's the rationale behind this kind of regression to terrible windows 8? Can i plz have snappier windows 7 with slightly cleaner look? > app developers can now b…

Looks like a new version of KDE

... which the KDE will soon copy and the loop will continue forever

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by CyberRabbi » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

distrill wrote: post #166

Everyone jokes about it finally being "the year of the linux desktop", but a few years ago that actually did happen to my circle. Between a mac for work and linux at home, I actually haven't touched windows in a number of years at this point, and interestingly, neither have a reasonable number of the technical people I interact with. Of the nontechnical people around me, many of them have transitioned to primarily us…

> Is windows still considered the default home computing environment?

The answer is a solid and unequivocal yes. Linux is single digits in the market, Mac is roughly 20%, windows is the rest. Ask a normal person what they use on their PC, the question likely wouldn’t make sense because most people aren’t aware a viable alternative to windows even exists.