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Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #58

NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

Yeah that line, along with others, is almost offensive. Microsoft tried really hard to stop the open web during the time they were building early Windows. They're trying to take credit for something that popular that they tried really hard to stop.

Not almost, it is simply a blatant lie. Now, how should I trust Microsoft if they can't avoid a lie (that is totally unnecessary btw) in their press release that was probably carefully crafted and approved by several levels of managers? It's like saying "we can do whatever we want, no matter if it's good or wrong, as long as in line with our interests." Shame.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by s_dev » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

Thats not even mentioning the complete dominance of Linux in the server space for decades.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by zeroonetwothree » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

ComputerGuru wrote: post #93

dmd wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural There's a name for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law and the fact that their UI people somehow have forgotten about it speaks volumes.

I don’t think Fitt’s takes into account the “end of screen” concept, though? I guess it makes the width of the element infinite in some regards.

It considers "effective size". Something on the edge has "infinite effective size".

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by ezequiel-garzon » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

At a time when the PC is playing a more central role in our lives

Oh, come on! That trend has peaked long ago, and you guys know it. And I type this using Windows 10, quite happily I might add, but unless you take a what's-a-computer approach that lumps cell phones with desktop PCs and everything in between, that is a ridiculous (opening!) statement.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by gnomewascool » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

yunohn wrote: post #70

croes wrote: post #41

>Why Microsoft is calling Windows 10 'the last version of Windows' https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve... There you see again what Microsoft's statements are worth.

They’re doing a free upgrade for W10 users, and making a new “numbered version”, to signify the significant changes. I’m not sure why this is that problematic?

> They’re doing a free upgrade for W10 users

> *Look for PCs that indicate they are eligible for the free upgrade, or you can check with your retailer for more information.

Are they, though?

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by Exmoor » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

geocrasher wrote: post #35

My Primary concern with Windows 11 can be described as follows: 98 - ME XP - Vista 7 - 8 10 - 11 Has Microsoft broken the cycle? Time will tell.

Honestly, I find this to be a lazy trope. MS has certainly laid some eggs before, but the "every other version sucks" narrative relies a lot on revisionist thinking. Vista was a resource hog on the hardware of the time, but the UI was honestly a huge improvement and a lot of the complaining about Vista centered around security improvements the _ABSOLUTELY_ needed to happen. I suspect plenty of HN readers have memories of the malware infested mess that less technical XP users machines often turned into. XP also had an (accidentally) long life, so the XP that was replaced by Vista was significantly improved.

You also leave out 8.1, which was a big improvement on 8.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by bugfix » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

neogodless wrote: post #94

Here's a tool to check if your PC meets the hardware requirements[0]. However, it looks like many modern systems don't have TPM 2.0 enabled in the BIOS, and will come back with "This PC can't run Windows 11" (including mine - Asus Prime X470 Pro with Ryzen 2700X, 32GB RAM, 1.5TB storage, Radeon RX 5600 XT.) [0] https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/d/d/1dd9969b-bc9a-...

Apparently, my 3yo desktop isn't compatible (Gigabyte Z270X Ultra). I really doubt people will upgrade their hardware just to use Windows 11.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by okamiueru » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

The main thing that would be of interest to me:

- Have they replaced/improved the NT kernel [1]?

- Have they replaced the ancient registry? [2]

The answer to either was not to be found. I'll bet windows 11 will still be a backwards-compatible mess if the answer to either is `no`.

[1]: http://blog.zorinaq.com/i-contribute-to-the-windows-kernel-w...

[2]: https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/why-the-windows-regist...

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by AnonHP » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

I can’t wait to see if Control Panel is still around with those network interface dialogs (among many others) from nearly two decades ago.

The new dock or taskbar looks nicer, but something about the window styles, the shape, the icons and the fonts still looks as ugly as they are on Windows 10.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by 0xFF0123 » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

bogwog wrote: post #111

croes wrote: post #41

>Why Microsoft is calling Windows 10 'the last version of Windows' https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve... There you see again what Microsoft's statements are worth.

How many people bought Windows 10 thinking they wouldn't need to buy another one? Class-action lawsuit incoming?

It's a free update according to the article