Introducing Windows 11 • Hacker News Board

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by DocTomoe » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

tehbeard wrote: post #29

_9omd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it looks like they finally just threw the towel in and admitted that macOS has had a superior design aesthetic, and started heading in the same direction.

In what way is it superior? Shinier?

As a long time Linux-only-user (since 1996...) who is now forced by management to work on a MacBook: macOS just feels snappy. Things are where I would expect them to be. Files in the finder are actually what I searched for, and finding stuff is fast. UI animations give a clear indication on what is happening.

I still prefer i3 ... but I can understand why a nontechnical user might prefer a mac device to a windows(10) device. Someone at Apple clearly knows about UI/UX.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by chrisstanchak » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

haolez wrote: post #12

Windows nowadays feels like a carefully crafted piece of software built by brilliant engineering and UX teams that, just before release, gets crapped all over by ads teams with annoyances and dark patterns. It must be frustrating to work in the former.

"Guys guys. Last second change from the top. We're gonna need to bundle Among Us. It needs to be front and center of our new start menu. We need it by EOD!"

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cblconfederate » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

irthomasthomas wrote: post #27

cblconfederate wrote: post #2

Rounded corners and touchscreens, is that windows 8/vista again? What i want from windows is speed . More and more people are going to be using them to work from home, and not on a tablet or a laptop, but on a good old desktop pc, their sales are going up. What's the rationale behind this kind of regression to terrible windows 8? Can i plz have snappier windows 7 with slightly cleaner look? > app developers can now b…

I use Linux now but keep windows VMs around for some legacy stuff. It takes about 5-10s to boot win7. It's snappy as heck, and reliable, even in a vm with minimal ram.

And, every program works

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by destructionator » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

yeah im at the first screenshot and it just looks awful

Have Microsoft forgotten the lessons they learned so hard since 1995? The start button being in the corner has real usability benefits.

They ruined the taskbar a long time ago, the button grouping thing is absolutely horrible and can only be partially turned off... hopefully they at a minimum kept the full button option somewhere.

And the centering... if new stuff is added and it recenters, it means things are moving all the time. eeek.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by BitwiseFool » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

I'm like 99% sure the first www server was on an NeXT machine.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by tehbeard » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #42

geocrasher wrote: post #35

My Primary concern with Windows 11 can be described as follows: 98 - ME XP - Vista 7 - 8 10 - 11 Has Microsoft broken the cycle? Time will tell.

‘Course this is hampered by Windows 2000, which came concurrent to ME and was better than XP.

Enterprise OS built for enterprise needs is > home OS?

quelle surprise.

That's same now as it was, 10 pro/workstation are better than home.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by dekhn » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

The only real question is, will I still be able to get to the Network card configuration page that's been the same for the last 15-20 years? I use it daily. They've just put it behind more and more "nicce looking, but non-functional" network management UIs,.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by cryptoz » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

NmAmDa wrote: post #22

> The web was born and grew up on Windows I think CERN engineers while working on web and www protocol were using unix as windows was not even there yet. https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web

Yeah that line, along with others, is almost offensive. Microsoft tried really hard to stop the open web during the time they were building early Windows. They're trying to take credit for something that popular that they tried really hard to stop.

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by resoluteteeth » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

Tajnymag wrote: post #33

Does "free upgrade for eligible PCs" mean there won't be a generally available free upgrade from Win10?

It probably just means that you can't upgrade if you have a very old computer that recent feature upgrades of Win10 have already dropped support for.

Edit: actually some people are saying it may require TPM 2.0

Re: Introducing Windows 11

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Post by jjcm » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #39

kadomony wrote: post #7

I mean.. The taskbar seems like a Dock now. The interface seems very Apple Finder-esque now. I feel like they're just aligning with macOS now. Not that I'm complaining, the video and the interface all are sexy.

I'm not a fan. A centered dock does look pretty, but to me it's not as intuitive as a left-aligned screen. Especially since you would be navigating to the "Start" menu a lot. Getting my mouse bottom left is more natural than "some random offset of dead bottom center". I can't tell if the icons get larger as you hover. That sort of magnifies this problem, as the start button would shift left as other icons are highlig…

Left aligned makes a ton of sense until you exceed a horizontal resolution of 2k or so. The web realized this ages ago - a left aligned page doesn't work at large screen sizes. With the web it isn't as critical (often times we have a browser window smaller than our full screen), but for a taskbar that spans the full horizontal resolution, left aligned doesn't make sense when you have a 5k ultrawide. Screen sizes will continue to slowly increase, centering the taskbar is futureproofing for that.