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Given the data we have now, you’re right— if humans were rational we’d be focusing topics that affect the masses. Using minority groups (BLM, LGBT, Immigration, etc.) as shields for larger agendas is an effective defense strategy.
> if humans were rational we’d be focusing topics that affect the masses Are there any academic articles on ethics that you could cite to back up that assertion?
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I've basically had a thought recently about this. The Olympics will eventually become a contest of the best humans, regardless of sex / gender. This is already how it is more or less today: people born with the right body types, into the right families, etc, will make it to the top. Thank for you attending my TED talk.
That would be the end of females in the Olympics. Male High School Athletes beat Female Olympians in most events: https://boysvswomen.com
Yeah it definitely destroys my little thought :D.
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I don't think your explanation of "TERF talking points" is fair. Contra Judith Butler it's not clear that feminism has any meaning without some essential idea of "womanhood". That is fundamentally what disturbs "TERFs". When you talk about "this Goldilocks zone of womanhood," I think you've rediscovering one of the oldest philosophical discoveries: mental concepts and ideas (in this case "woman") do not apply perfect…
> "there is no distinction between biological women and trans women," There is no category of women that is entirely identical, where you couldn't distinguish between them. Some AFAB women can't give birth. Some of them have more androgynous bodies. Some of them are black. Some of them have different levels of estrogen, or grow up in different social circles that impose different expectations about how they should ac…
How on earth did being black make it on that list?! Wtf
On other subjects on HN (software, mostly), I find curious, questioning people, who will, for the most part, engage very seriously with the subject matter. I think this is because users here engage with software -- the creation, maintenance, collaboration, the joy and misery of it all -- frequently and with a passion for nuance. When high-visibility articles on trans people show up, it's almost inevitably when our tr…
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> any claim to be male, female, non-binary or whatever must be accepted at face value. And that the person who is making the claim should have the right to any treatment that they wish, up to and including surgery. I can understand some caution around the latter part of this quote, given how traumatic, invasive, and costly surgery can be. It is a defensible and reasonable position that there should be _some_ barrier-…
The point is clearly that we should discourage folks from undertaking any permanent life alterations while they're still in the "it could be just a phase" stage. To use your analogy, we're dissuading the person from tattooing "I hate broccoli" on them until they've reached age 18 or whatever. Nobody is saying we should deny them their self-image outright.
> [I am opposed to the situation that] any claim to be male, female, non-binary or whatever must be accepted at face value
That is exactly what GP was implying - that their self-image does _not_ have to be accepted.
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> "there is no distinction between biological women and trans women," There is no category of women that is entirely identical, where you couldn't distinguish between them. Some AFAB women can't give birth. Some of them have more androgynous bodies. Some of them are black. Some of them have different levels of estrogen, or grow up in different social circles that impose different expectations about how they should ac…
Some AFAB women can't give birth. Some of them have more androgynous bodies. Some of them are black. How on earth did being black make it on that list?! Wtf
I think it's important in feminist circles to understand that the Black community can be affected by sexism in ways that white women might not experience.
You can say the same about things like income. The sexism that a professional in an office job experiences can occasionally differ in subtle ways from the sexism that a blue-collar worker experiences. Not to say one is better or worse, just the way that inequality manifests is often contextually dependent.
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Here’s what I mean when I asked us to consider perspectives of trans people —- I want you to understand us not just as potential perpetrators of violence here, but also as recipients. Trans women are subject to prison rape at apparently disproportionate levels [1][2] when housed in men’s prisons. Instead of framing this as “is it ethical to move a woman to a women’s prison on the off chance she’s a man gaming the sys…
That's a fair point, and I don't know what the solution is. Thanks for engaging with my post in good faith. Self-ID in particular is a salient issue in the UK because the Conservative government had plans to implement it, but recently scrapped those plans in favour of the existing system (trans people in the UK can get legal recognition of their gender change but it's a medicalised process that takes one year; the pr…
I used “secret” with a clear intention here, because on the gender-critical side, categorical rejection of trans women from womanhood is a core belief. It follows that if you don’t believe any trans woman is “actually” a woman, that every trans woman is just a man trying to be sneaky, then every trans woman in prison, regardless of existing convictions, is a potential Karen White.
White’s rape conviction is probably the more germane data point in that particular edge case. From there the question might be: how do women’s prisons handle cisgender women with rape convictions against other women right now? What potential problems, if any, would arise if we implemented similar procedures for trans women? How might those procedures help or hurt trans people?
(This might also lead to higher level questions about the efficacy of prisons in a broader sense, but that’s outside our scope here.)
When, as trans people, we see edge cases brought up like this, they’re so often used as a means of depicting us as potential Karen Whites that, to the extent that we even bother engaging, it comes from a defensive place. I hope you can understand that I’m choosing to engage here both because I do see well-meaning people like you on this site and because I think the site needs a counterpoint to the FUD about trans people, even if I dread some of the nastier responses.
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> "there is no distinction between biological women and trans women," There is no category of women that is entirely identical, where you couldn't distinguish between them. Some AFAB women can't give birth. Some of them have more androgynous bodies. Some of them are black. Some of them have different levels of estrogen, or grow up in different social circles that impose different expectations about how they should ac…
Some AFAB women can't give birth. Some of them have more androgynous bodies. Some of them are black. How on earth did being black make it on that list?! Wtf
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Some AFAB women can't give birth. Some of them have more androgynous bodies. Some of them are black. How on earth did being black make it on that list?! Wtf
Because this entire ideology is deeply sexist and racist, and they consider black women to be less gender-conforming than white women.
No, but I do understand that the way society treats Black women is often different than the way society treats white women, and I understand that being a white woman does not automatically give someone complete insight into the struggles that Black women face.
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> if humans were rational we’d be focusing topics that affect the masses Are there any academic articles on ethics that you could cite to back up that assertion?
Well, communism is heavily documented in history books.
Do you have any reference material on the successes and failures of communism that would be worth bookmarking?