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Am I the only one who thinks that police officers should be paid more, not less? These should be highly specialized and trained jobs that are hard to get and easy to lose if you're bad at them / criminal -- seems like the reality right now is that they're easy to get and hard to lose.
Policing has to be one of the hardest jobs in our modern society, I honestly couldn't event imagine the stress. Imagine picking up a JIRA ticket at work and not knowing if that ticket is going to a run of the mill bug fix or something that can kill you. That's just out of the realm of possibility for an SWE but for a cop it can be any one of the calls they take on a daily basis. I've always had respect for cops becau…
Imagine just doing your best to help your local community by building some online community notice board, only for a rabid horde to start picketing your house, shouting ALL PROGRAMMERS ARE BASTARDS!!!
Won’t lie, I’d probably hop outside and join them.
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It is true that even among minorities support for the existence of an active police force remains high. However, the principles of policing by consent still hold: a community deserves to be policed by police it recognizes as members of that community, not outsiders, and which have the community's best interests at heart. There is still a lot of work to be done in the US regarding these things.
That appears to be a general argument for self-determination or segregation, according to tastes.
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>Guys, police are self-abolishing. Do you think 2021 will end with less police in uniform than 2020? Do you think 2020 had less police in uniform than 2019? Of course not. This is one of those "trend" stories that is basically inventing copy. Find isolated examples and propose a trend. But if a police officer feels vilified or unfairly treated, blame the officers who grossly abuse the power society gave them, not the…
>Do you think 2021 will end with less police in uniform than 2020? Do you think 2020 had less police in uniform than 2019? In large cities run by liberal mayors/councils? I'm 100% certain. >But if a police officer feels vilified or unfairly treated, blame the officers who grossly abuse the power society gave them, not the public. Blame unions and the knee-jerk circle-the-wagon attitude that defends these bad apples.…
Here are some facts from the City of Vallejo, a city of 120,000 people located 30 miles north-east of San Francisco: - Recently featured in ABC's 20/20 show for a "Gone Girl" case were the Vallejo Police Department accused a couple of faking a kidnapping. The woman was sexually assaulted during her kidnapping, and the VPD staged a news conference claiming the whole thing was made up. The city paid the couple millions…
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Except "so many unarmed black people are shot" is a lie. A larger per-capita percentages of unarmed whites are shot than blacks.
Absolute death by police in 2020: white 457, black 241. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... Population: white 197M, black 40M. https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Race-and-Ethnicit... Per-capita: close to 3 times as many black people shot. I couldn't find clear statistics for unarmed victims. Please post if they're much different.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...
I don't think enough people are talking about the huge change in the crime landscape. Here in Atlanta, violent crime is up 50, 60% while arrests are down 40%. We're down hundreds of cops and morale is terrible. Cops aren't doing their jobs because they fear politically motivated prosecution. And for good reason given that a handful of them faced politically motivated prosecution. We're still below the worst days of v…
> Finally, officers said they were asked to handle too much; they were constantly thrown at tangled societal problems like mental health breakdowns or drug overdoses, they said, for which they were ill-equipped — then blamed when things went wrong. Sounds like they've got some common ground with the "defund the police" folks, if they'd listen a bit.
>> they were constantly thrown at tangled societal problems like mental health breakdowns or drug overdoses Shouldn't the EMT be called for a drug overdose? You know, someone to treat the patient rather than someone whose primary job would be to arrest them for illegal activity. Related: I know an EMT and he says people they are there to help will sometimes attack them. That's a stressful job too.
And EMTs manage to do their jobs without weapons. Bet your friend also has stories about police interfering with EMTs doing their jobs and threatening violence.
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Except "so many unarmed black people are shot" is a lie. A larger per-capita percentages of unarmed whites are shot than blacks.
Got a source on that? I do, but it doesn't bear out your assertion: https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... > Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 371 civilians having been shot, 71 of whom were Black, in the first five months of 2021. In 2020, there were 1,021 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 there were 999 fatal shooting…
I don't have a source supporting or disproving that claim, I'm just pointing out that the source you provided doesn't address the claim they are making.
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The meaning of "diverting funding to other resources" has been a consensus in the community for a very long time. It's only recently that "defund" has been conflated with "abolish," which has always been a very very small niche of the police reform community.
But it's a reason to choose your words carefully. "Defund the Police" is very easy to interpret as "abolish" or "practically abolish". Which means it's very easy to twist even the less extreme politicians' and activists' meaning toward that end. This sets them up for abuse from their opposition who then cost them possible supporters. The fact is, many people on the right wouldn't mind if police were a little less of…