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Post by tabletthrowaway »

lastdayy wrote: post #160
spoonjim wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, what's the flip side complaint? That a person posted a video that they didn't want to share, but as Unlisted, then forgotten the password to change it, then the video will be discovered, and it's compromising information but was uploaded to YouTube, and it comes back to harm that person? They're both pretty unlikely but at YouTube scale both are real.

It doesn't seem that unlikely. Someone makes a video of themselves with no clothes on (or whatever) and not fully understanding the privacy options they make it so it can only be shared to people they choose. 15 years later it's much easier to trawl through millions of videos by incrementing and check them automatically for nudity than anyone thought it would be back in the day.

Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocwRvLhDf8

There’s too many IDs to iterate through. Searching for $defatltvideoname for some camera is far more effective for that. Scarily so.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

SilverRed wrote: post #119
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There absolutely is, place it on company google drive! You will even have real access control!

Last I checked, google drive videos and youtube were in a weird merged state.

Dropbox,OneDrive, etc. If you want

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Post by newsclues »

eru wrote: post #162
SilverRed wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no better way to provide video content with a text document than to link to youtube. Sure they should have a private backup but until youtube stops working well like it has for a decade, it's still more reliable than any self hosted setup a company would build.

YouTube is probably a more reliably backup in the vast majority of cases than whatever internal backup the company would come up with.

How can anyone rely on a third party business to host content for free, forever?

Just because it’s worked for years doesn’t make it so forever.

The trust and reliance on Google for free video hosting seems both foolish and dangerous.

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Post by CydeWeys »

giantrobot wrote: post #110
CydeWeys wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative, that Google doesn't delete stuff that people want deleted, is worse. They can't win either way.

They could delete the video content and leave a sanitized version of the metadata. For instance leave the post date and title while removing the description and owner information. Searching for a video's URL might let you find some metadata about it. Unfortunately YouTube encourages social media insulation so a video might have only ever been referenced inside of YouTube with no inbound links from the web.

You can easily imagine situations for which the title itself contains information that someone would rather have deleted. Per GDPR and similar regs, if you want that deleted, it has to be.

It's the uploader's video, and they retain ownership of it. If they want it gone, it'll be gone. Since they own the IP, their interests matter more than some random viewer who happened to add it to a playlist some time in the past.

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by londons_explore »

This is all a result of a poor security choice by YouTube, back when they were run by a few people.

Video URL's look random, but are in fact an encrypted sequential integer.

If the encryption key is leaked, then someone can browse through all unlisted videos.

There are rumours the key has been leaked.

All these changes are to mitigate the impact of that.

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by londons_explore »

resoluteteeth wrote: post #136
QuercusMax wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems highly unlikely to me (a Google engineer who works on systems that use Zanzibar / Cloud IAM) that this is a result of anything other than a change in policy.

This person seems to believe it's a security issue with video ids, but maybe that's not related to Zanzibar: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27611436

This is true. There are rumours the key has leaked swirling.

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by nora-puchreiner »

Springtime wrote: post #157
freeflight wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder where the web went wrong that we ended up in this regressive place where we have to create local backups because the Internet has gotten really good at "forgetting" all the fun and interesting stuff, while never forgetting all our personal info :/

The internet has always been fragile like that though, it's not a new thing. Even more than a decade back there were those encouraging saving local copies of web pages for any content one found worthwhile, rather than bookmarking it, since there's a likelihood of the link/content disappearing, which time has shown to be a smart idea given online archives aren't always reliable[1]. The same is true (perhaps moreso) fo…

There are number of websites (Wikipedia, Lobste.RS, some subreddits, ...) which do archive all new outlinks in an automated way.

Why content preservation is not very popular among webmasters (why NH and 1000000s other sites do not do it?) is an interesting question for Internet philosophers.

Maybe, because people mostly want the shit to sink and not come up again?

Also, why web-archiving is biased right-wing?

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by somethoughts »

Animats wrote: post #16

I need to move some of my early technical videos to Vimeo now. I never connected my pre-Google YouTube account to Google, and so I can't do anything with them. It's been over a year since I logged into Google, anyway.

Yes this totally seems like an opportunity for Vimeo which recently IPO'd* to clean up.

* not a shareholder

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

echelon wrote: post #29
throwawaysea wrote: post #17

A related frustration for me is when I have random videos in my "watch later" list replaced with a gray square and a note saying the video is no longer unavailable or has been made private. Since I don't even get any details of what the video was (title/channel/description), I can't go find it elsewhere. It's like having a song deleted from a playlist silently. It makes me wonder if I should even rely on Google's fea…

Google the URL. You'll often find it in the Google cache or linked from somewhere else with the full description. This can sometimes be enough information to find an alternate source.

I don't think there is a URL to Google in this case.
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