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Post by totetsu »

tablespoon wrote: post #134
totetsu wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the problem with these services.. they are free and every one was using them without thinking about what they 'should' do, because they didn't knowing any better, didn't understand that the service could change at any moment.. and we lost a generation of important records because people stopped posting on their websites and blogs, and started posting on instagram, twitter and youtube

Or they were, but they had to do more with less. Given how companies love to "cut costs," the dedicated training people who had the time and expertise to think about how the task "should" have been done may have been canned. However, the need still exists, so the task fell on some overworked person with other responsibilities to juggle, who barely has enough time to get a quick an dirty job done with Youtube. I belie…

Its local governments that I worry about more than businesses.. One my favorite nature reserves had almost 20 years of monthly photographic records on a blog that was killed by a switch to instagram.

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Post by Foomf »

james-skemp wrote: post #54
barosl wrote: post #2

That's unfortunate. I have a few videos which seems to have been forgotten even by their uploaders. Those videos would probably not be updated. I guess I need to back them up manually.

Or uploaders who have died and may have unlisted videos and linked to them in descriptions or comments. I don't recall the creator, but I do recall a video series that used links in the videos that pointed to other videos for a basic quiz or choose your own adventure.

Jacksfilms did that once.

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Post by brokenmachine »

contingencies wrote: post #22
throwawaysea wrote: post #17

A related frustration for me is when I have random videos in my "watch later" list replaced with a gray square and a note saying the video is no longer unavailable or has been made private. Since I don't even get any details of what the video was (title/channel/description), I can't go find it elsewhere. It's like having a song deleted from a playlist silently. It makes me wonder if I should even rely on Google's fea…

Almost like submitting to centralized gatekeeping is a crime against public culture, intellectual history and social integrity... wait... what are we all building again?

We have already built a corporate dystopia where plebs spend their precious time making content which enables a giant multinational company to generate billions in advertising dollars.

In exchange we get free email.

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Post by fapjacks »

Smithalicious wrote: post #70

This makes me sad, I remember quite a few unlisted videos going around for one reason or the other over the years. Videos meant to be watched, mind. There's lots of old stuff on YouTube from long dead small channels. This stuff rots and disappears over time with nobody around to maintain it. I guess it's a good reminder that everything needs maintenance. Something similar, but much more dramatic, happened once they g…

It's been clear to me we're at the tail end of the golden age of online videos and I and many others have been furiously downloading in preparation for the inevitable.

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Post by numpad0 »

8note wrote: post #122
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #107

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There absolutely is, place it on company google drive! You will even have real access control!

Shouldn't it be a self hosted server? The Google drive could be deprecated at any moment

Yes but self hosting is just so hard it’s cost effective for a lot of corporate users to freeride on social networking in general

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Post by Thorrez »

ktm8 wrote: post #47
quantumofalpha wrote: post #42

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Yes, exactly. Video ID is just a base64'ed DES-encrypted primary int64 video key from MySQL. It used to be sequentially incremented until at some point they switched to randomly generated primary keys. Any (ex-) engineer who snapped a copy of the encryption key (it used to sit right in the code for anyone to see) can enumerate all videos from YT until that moment, including unlisted - which are only protected by secr…

Just for curiosity, how would YT deal with ID collision ? Edit: Before the scheme change I mean

>base64'ed DES-encrypted primary int64

Block ciphers (such as DES) don't collide. If they did there would be no way to decrypt them because a block could be decrypted into multiple valid plaintexts.

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Post by numpad0 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #106
kube-system wrote: post #100

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You probably can, but the people who are tasked with delivering training videos likely do not have the technical ability to do so.

Sound like they do not have the skills or tools needed to do their job.

In a world _no one_ has said skills and tools anyone becomes auto qualified in relative sense

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Post by asdff »

numpad0 wrote: post #145
8note wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't it be a self hosted server? The Google drive could be deprecated at any moment

Yes but self hosting is just so hard it’s cost effective for a lot of corporate users to freeride on social networking in general

Self hosting is as easy as having the videos on a single location on the shared drive. Most companies that have employees use computers use internal shared drives like this to share files and VPNs for their employees at home to access them outside of the network, and have their own IT departments to handle all of this.

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Post by asdff »

fapjacks wrote: post #144
Smithalicious wrote: post #70

This makes me sad, I remember quite a few unlisted videos going around for one reason or the other over the years. Videos meant to be watched, mind. There's lots of old stuff on YouTube from long dead small channels. This stuff rots and disappears over time with nobody around to maintain it. I guess it's a good reminder that everything needs maintenance. Something similar, but much more dramatic, happened once they g…

It's been clear to me we're at the tail end of the golden age of online videos and I and many others have been furiously downloading in preparation for the inevitable.

Not just videos, any online content is subject to loss. If you see something and like it, save it locally and back it up, whether its a video, image, text post, or an entire website.

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Post by asdff »

freeflight wrote: post #113
andrewzah wrote: post #75

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What's stopping you from downloading videos you care about in the first place? It's not that hard to have youtube-dl batch download playlists, which is what I do.

I wonder where the web went wrong that we ended up in this regressive place where we have to create local backups because the Internet has gotten really good at "forgetting" all the fun and interesting stuff, while never forgetting all our personal info :/

This is the end result of the internet being a firehose left on for multiple decades. Signal is washed out.
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