A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 11:23 PM UTC

omegaworks wrote: post #701

karaterobot wrote: post #665

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As an Economist reader who sometimes scratches his head at how late they are to the party, I love your framing here. I appreciate their sobriety though.

From the very first paragraph: >(trans-exclusionary radical feminist, a slur) Bigots offended at being called out on their bigotry. The Economist reveals their bias and their stake in the debate by asserting that "terf is a slur" and later by representing "gender critical" ideologies as "mainstream." It's plainly irresponsible journalism and not at all sober.

Post by thomasahle » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 11:25 PM UTC

mike00632 wrote: post #124

fungiblecog wrote: post #92

I think the irony of the current battle around identity is that we have been making steady progress based on the idea that personal characteristics shouldn't matter. However this whole debate is reversing that by not only saying it matters a great deal but that other people should be forced to defer to others personal choices even when it directly affects them

Do you feel the same way about nicknames? If you call someone by a nickname that they don't like and they let you know they prefer their own name then do you consider it too onerous to defer to them about it?

Post by fallat » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 11:27 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #495

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>Interestingly enough, there's not much animosity toward trans-men. These ground exclusively concern themselves with trans-women. I second this. Maybe it's some echo chamber effect or a minority stirring shit up, but I've hardly heard anything over the years about transmen-as-men vs men-as-men. It seems like most of the focus is on transwomen-as-women vs women-as-women. Maybe we're not as vocal? Maybe we care less? I…

The Olympics has been dealing with the question of womanhood for a very long time. For a while they were literally stripping and groping female athletes. Later they did chromosome testing, until they discovered intersex individuals who confound that theory. Even their current testosterone-levels theory is imperfect, since some people have obviously female bodies but inordinately high testosterone levels. So they seem…

Post by meragrin_ » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 11:29 PM UTC

ENIanDEM wrote: post #540

meragrin_ wrote: post #396

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> predatory trans women How about predatory men pretending to be trans-women?

Can we please return to some semblance of reality?

Post by konogasa » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 11:31 PM UTC

TimTheTinker wrote: post #230

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This was ironically one of the things that was hardest about coming out as gay, for me. Nobody ever treated me the same way again. I was either uncomfortably praised or silently judged, with practically no in-between. Suffice to say, my sexuality is on a need-to-know basis, now.

It's weird to me that sexuality and identity are so intertwined. Why should someone "come out" as anything? (I know a lot of people "come out" as various things in a mere bid for attention... I'll leave that issue aside.) If I knew someone casually for a while who never talked about his/her sexuality, but one day they said "I never said this before, but I'm a heterosexual", I'd certainly feel awkward about it. Why di…