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Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by the_benno »

newsclues wrote: post #49
btown wrote: post #31

A welcome move for individuals who may have embarrassing content as Unlisted links. Future politicians will thank you. But... this will hit B2B product training and product marketing libraries hard . Many companies I've seen have help pages with embedded or linked videos for features not updated in years, and many of those embeds are Unlisted videos so that they're only seen in the context of their help article, not…

Maybe critical training materials should not be published to YouTube?

"should not be published" is very different from "are not published"

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by _carbyau_ »

barosl wrote: post #2

That's unfortunate. I have a few videos which seems to have been forgotten even by their uploaders. Those videos would probably not be updated. I guess I need to back them up manually.

Data you don't have in at least two places, is data you don't want.

This applies to logical places on the internet too.

Of course, you don't need to keep a copy of everything you see on the internet. But if you have a dependency you might want a copy.

wget was the thing back then, maybe something similar with youtube-dl now?

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by randrews »

btown wrote: post #31

A welcome move for individuals who may have embarrassing content as Unlisted links. Future politicians will thank you. But... this will hit B2B product training and product marketing libraries hard . Many companies I've seen have help pages with embedded or linked videos for features not updated in years, and many of those embeds are Unlisted videos so that they're only seen in the context of their help article, not…

So your complaint is that a company might have put a forklift training video on youtube, as an unlisted video, have then forgotten the password to change it, then will hire someone and tell them to watch it, that person won't be able to and will then not tell anyone else that fact, and after all that they might then hurt themselves with a forklift?

At what point is a hypothetical harmful scenario too absurd to care about?

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by phuff »

tenerifevisitor wrote: post #38
judge2020 wrote: post #20

The thing that makes this fishy is that I also received an email for my Google Workspace organization about link sharing changing for Google Drive for a security update, and the date it initially takes effect is the same day at this YouTube thing, July 23. https://support.google.com/a/answer/10685032?hl=en Could something have happened across their entire Zanzibar/ ACL infrastructure?

What is Zanzibar?

I found this link: https://research.google/pubs/pub48190/

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by spartanatreyu »

newsclues wrote: post #49
btown wrote: post #31

A welcome move for individuals who may have embarrassing content as Unlisted links. Future politicians will thank you. But... this will hit B2B product training and product marketing libraries hard . Many companies I've seen have help pages with embedded or linked videos for features not updated in years, and many of those embeds are Unlisted videos so that they're only seen in the context of their help article, not…

Maybe critical training materials should not be published to YouTube?

There was a time, when YouTube was seen as free and open as Wikipedia.

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by Animats »

contingencies wrote: post #19
Animats wrote: post #16

I need to move some of my early technical videos to Vimeo now. I never connected my pre-Google YouTube account to Google, and so I can't do anything with them. It's been over a year since I logged into Google, anyway.

Please share the URL! I always appreciate your hardware comments and would love to see what you've shared in video format.

First legged running on rough terrain (around 1994) https://youtu.be/kc5n0iTw-NU

Made on a 20MHz Mac IIci, not enough computer for the job.

First working ragdoll (around 1997) https://youtu.be/5lHqEwk7YHs

Ragdoll physics, correct but slow.

Big falling object test (around 1997) https://youtu.be/-DaWIHc1VLY

Notice that it looks heavy, unlike most video game physics.

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by easytiger »

randrews wrote: post #63
btown wrote: post #31

A welcome move for individuals who may have embarrassing content as Unlisted links. Future politicians will thank you. But... this will hit B2B product training and product marketing libraries hard . Many companies I've seen have help pages with embedded or linked videos for features not updated in years, and many of those embeds are Unlisted videos so that they're only seen in the context of their help article, not…

So your complaint is that a company might have put a forklift training video on youtube, as an unlisted video, have then forgotten the password to change it, then will hire someone and tell them to watch it, that person won't be able to and will then not tell anyone else that fact, and after all that they might then hurt themselves with a forklift? At what point is a hypothetical harmful scenario too absurd to care a…

Well then you've got a decade of free hosting and the only negative consequence of it is it stops working.

The reductive logic here is something else

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by quantumofalpha »

ktm8 wrote: post #47
quantumofalpha wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly. Video ID is just a base64'ed DES-encrypted primary int64 video key from MySQL. It used to be sequentially incremented until at some point they switched to randomly generated primary keys. Any (ex-) engineer who snapped a copy of the encryption key (it used to sit right in the code for anyone to see) can enumerate all videos from YT until that moment, including unlisted - which are only protected by secr…

Just for curiosity, how would YT deal with ID collision ? Edit: Before the scheme change I mean

Not sure about technical details for that but perhaps something like https://vitess.io/docs/reference/features/vitess-sequences/. Vitess itself is a project that grew out of YouTube's needs to scale and shard their MySQL DB.

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by daniellarusso »

randrews wrote: post #63
btown wrote: post #31

A welcome move for individuals who may have embarrassing content as Unlisted links. Future politicians will thank you. But... this will hit B2B product training and product marketing libraries hard . Many companies I've seen have help pages with embedded or linked videos for features not updated in years, and many of those embeds are Unlisted videos so that they're only seen in the context of their help article, not…

So your complaint is that a company might have put a forklift training video on youtube, as an unlisted video, have then forgotten the password to change it, then will hire someone and tell them to watch it, that person won't be able to and will then not tell anyone else that fact, and after all that they might then hurt themselves with a forklift? At what point is a hypothetical harmful scenario too absurd to care a…

This is the best forklift training video I have seen:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forklift_Driver_Klaus_–_The_...

Re: “Older unlisted videos will be made private unless you opt out”

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Post by Smithalicious »

This makes me sad, I remember quite a few unlisted videos going around for one reason or the other over the years. Videos meant to be watched, mind.

There's lots of old stuff on YouTube from long dead small channels. This stuff rots and disappears over time with nobody around to maintain it. I guess it's a good reminder that everything needs maintenance.

Something similar, but much more dramatic, happened once they got rid of annotations - lots of old stuff that no longer works the way it was intended.

It seems like nobody particularly cares about preserving this kind of stuff. It's a big downside to having content that only lives on the web - video files on my local storage don't just change retroactively. Things might still need maintenance, like getting old flash files to work again, but information doesn't get lost as easily.

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