Rival weightlifter speaks out on transgender Hubbard's Olympic place

Post by belorn » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 10:37 PM UTC

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>I think the core question is, does Hubbard have an advantage so she will win 95% of the time? If so, it’s not really a competition, especially if that result derives from her innate ... physiology giving her an unfair advantage. But this is true of lots of sports. Most recently, Simone Biles was punished by scoring judges for a gymnastic move that only she is able to perform, due to her height and musculature. "Gene…

While it's hard to draw a precise line, there's a clear difference between having some genetic features that give you an advantage, and having most genetic features that give you an advantage. Growing up under the influence of male genetics and hormones gives an individual a massive advantage in such a sport, that simply cannot be compensated for or against with just training or medical solutions. There's nothing tha…

Post by beerandt » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 11:05 PM UTC

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Have you considered that forcing the abnormal to be included with the normal renders both terms meaningless?

This categorization scheme would specifically include the 'abnormal' and the 'normal' together based entirely on chromosomes.

Post by kristopolous » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 12:03 AM UTC

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Huh? So say, sexually fetishizing children in front of their parents is a freedom? That's actually a crime, you know that, right, it's not freedom of speech. Using racial slurs is a crime in most environments as well. There is no right to say arbitrary things in front of arbitrary people. That's actually not a thing. It's not "your freedom" that's being violated, there never was one there to begin with here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech > Freedom of speech[2] is a fundamental human right that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The list of things at the forefront of you mind would fall under the above. You might get your teeth kicked in but by the actual freedom of speech definition rathe…

Post by sundvor » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 1:12 AM UTC

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On a related note: One of the advantages of weightlifting (at least for a middle aged cisgendered male) is that it increases testosterone production. Significantly lowered levels can have some really bad outcomes as one age, ie killing energy levels, libido, physical strength etc.

Yeah it really helps. I'd recommend heavy deadlifts to any middle aged male. It's a huge energy booster.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 1:50 AM UTC

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not really. there’s a lot more to you than just things you synthesize or inhibit. not to mention development that happens in the womb etc that’s non reversible. hormones won’t change your bone structure or the shape of your hips or a million other things

It’s still an open question as to why trans people are trans, but it definitely looks like something is already different as early as the womb. But that isn’t important, because even if it were false: Purely for the question of athletics, athletic performance trumps all else. Medical doctors will still need to know about chromosomes for dealing with chromosomal disorders, and if you’ve had your gonads out you’re not…