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A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities

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Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities

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Post by throwaway894345 »

lotu wrote: post #256
kwanbix wrote: post #202

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100% Agree. At least in my home country, this is mostly fueled by the left (I consider myself center). Lots of them just "work" of doing nothing but protesting, so once they get something they wanted, they have to move to the next thing. For example, they start by making changes to the language so, instead of being "los" (male) or "las" (female) they started to say "les" (does not exists in spanish) as they say it is…

Language is defined by the people who speak it, not by some authority. If people are using “les” than it is part of Spanish.

The parent is pretty clearly saying that "les" wasn't previously a Spanish word, because HN is an English language forum and some of us don't know that. Let's not nitpick the English of folks for whom it's a second language.

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Post by plank_time »

millzlane wrote: post #383
plank_time wrote: post #330

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TERF is a pejorative term, I wouldn’t use it unless you are trying to attack feminists.

In academic discourse, there is no consensus on whether or not TERF constitutes a slur. But if we want to be accommodating to those who take offense with the term, we can use the term Gender Critical.

“Trans-exclusionary radical feminist” sounds pretty pejorative, most especially the “radical” part.

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Post by r00fus »

plank_time wrote: post #330
caeril wrote: post #302

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There's a large segment of the population that feels actively threatened by trans rights. The two primary components are: 1. Parents and sexual violence victims concerned about the non-falsifiability of trans-identification and the related concerns of sexual predators claiming an identity they don't actually have to gain access to private spaces of women and girls. 2. Feminists (TERFs) who believe being a woman is a…

TERF is a pejorative term, I wouldn’t use it unless you are trying to attack feminists.

Those who are called TERFs are feminists in name only. The vast majority of self-described feminists don't agree with the TERF platform.

Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities

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Post by omginternets »

klyrs wrote: post #385
omginternets wrote: post #179

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Do you think legislators and employers should get involved in decisions about nicknames? If so, that would make you some sort of authoritarian. And this is what the debate is really about: authoritarian vs libertarian political attitudes. I’m certainly ready to have that debate, but it would require the “woke left” [0] to abandon the moral high-ground. [0] There’s surely a better term to use, but I can’t think of it…

Freedom to choose one's gender is a libertarian value. Would you rather the government pick one for you?

As I've said before: we agree on this point.

Where we seem to disagree is on the question of whether government, employers or other institutional powers have the power to silence those who don't see it our way. If we do indeed disagree, then by definition you lean towards authoritarian politics. You are willing to go further than I in restricting freedom of expression to defend trans people. You may even be right, but that makes you more authoritarian than me.

Why does this matter? Because it's the actual subject of debate. I want trans people to be treated with respect too, but my political opinion is that authoritarianism is the wrong way to achieve this outcome.

I think you will find that many people who reject identity politics / CRT / etc don't actually hate trans people. They fear authoritarian mobs and the governments they elect.

(Apologies for the multiple stealth-edits. It sometimes takes me a few tries to articulate my thoughts.)

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Post by SirHound »

plank_time wrote: post #330
caeril wrote: post #302

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There's a large segment of the population that feels actively threatened by trans rights. The two primary components are: 1. Parents and sexual violence victims concerned about the non-falsifiability of trans-identification and the related concerns of sexual predators claiming an identity they don't actually have to gain access to private spaces of women and girls. 2. Feminists (TERFs) who believe being a woman is a…

TERF is a pejorative term, I wouldn’t use it unless you are trying to attack feminists.

Its not an attack on feminists though?

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Post by paulv »

caeril wrote: post #302
drenvuk wrote: post #268

Can someone please tell me how important this topic based on the amount of news time and eyeballs it attracts relative to the number of people that it affects? The numbers I can find for US citizens is: 0.6% or 1,988,696 out 331,449,281 of people total for the entirety of the US in 2021. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_Unite... In the UK where the featured article took place the latest poll I…

There's a large segment of the population that feels actively threatened by trans rights. The two primary components are: 1. Parents and sexual violence victims concerned about the non-falsifiability of trans-identification and the related concerns of sexual predators claiming an identity they don't actually have to gain access to private spaces of women and girls. 2. Feminists (TERFs) who believe being a woman is a…

> 2. Feminists (TERFs)

I worry that this can be read as "all feminists are terfs", which is not accurate.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

dang wrote: post #267
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #223

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Certainly I am finding it very difficult to be heard. As a member of the trans community I’ve tried to be kind and helpful in my comments in this thread but I’m getting downvoted to hell. I just really want people in this thread to learn about emotional labor and to consider what they’re asking of marginalized people when they want to “discuss” the validity of their needs.

Yes, that's not good. I will take a closer look. Thanks for remaining kind and helpful, even when it's not easy.

Wow thanks I appreciate it. It had been an upsetting experience and this helped.

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Post by nemo44x »

Latty wrote: post #152
nemo44x wrote: post #87

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What's weird is that not long ago is popular to say "I disagree with everything you have to say, but I'd die for your right to say it". It's amazing how times have changed from that shared belief. The videos you haven't seen are the ones that were never made because the wrong-view person was stopped from even giving their scheduled talk via "de-platforming".

Someone having a right to say something doesn't mean they are entitled to every platform to broadcast it. Not everyone can go and speak at a University, there is not enough time and space for that to be viable, just as not everyone can demand to be broadcast on TV. If you can't get enough support at a University to speak, the public square and the soapbox are always at your disposal. The government can't arrest you.…

The person in the article was invited by the university. This isn't a random person demanding to be heard. This is the university succumbing to pressure from a small group to ban a guest from sharing their ideas with the student body that choose to attend.

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Post by a1369209993 »

JohnBooty wrote: post #171
tetranomiga wrote: post #35

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I dunno if I'd agree that it's a small vocal minority, zero-tolerance to anybody questioning the current dogma is seen everywhere where trans acceptance is a focus. Ten years ago I was told, by trans people, that there are physical differences between trans and cis brains. Say that today, and you get kicked out of LGBT spaces for being a transmedicalist or truscum. I have no idea whether it's true or not because you…

I do not know anything about the subject of the linked article, nor her views. Did not venture past the pay/registration wall. I have no opinion about her. zero-tolerance to anybody questioning the current dogma is seen everywhere Generally, of course dogma should be questioned. However, academic freedom does not mean that universities must provide a platform to literally anybody that wants one. Their resources are f…

> Their resources are finite and choices need to be made.

By your own description[0][1], choices had already been made, and resources had already been committed.

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27609417

1: > Jo Phoenix, a professor of criminology at Britain's Open University, was due to give a talk at Essex University

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