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San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

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Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#31

The restriction may have made sense during a pandemic, but long term this really seems like something for markets, rather than governments, to solve

The fact that there are many apps competing for this businesses, but the costs to the restaurants are still so high, seems suspicious to me.

The cost to deliver meals is high.

Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#32
post #9

Reading the article I couldn't find anything - is there no minimum amount available? 15% of a $5 order obviously not enough to deliver it. Or is this more of a measure to move the fees onto the customer so they are more explicit?

The cap is on the commission the delivery service can charge the restaurant. They're free to charge the customer whatever they want to deliver the food.

Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#33
post #29

How nonsensical to have this as a percentage. The underlying operational cost doesn't really depend on how much money you spent on the food. I don't see how delivery can be profitable on < $10 orders with a 15% cap.

Delivery services are still free to charge whatever they want for delivery. This cap only applies to what they're charging the restaurant to be on their service.

Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Delivery is expensive and network effects are valuable. Price-fixing is already illegal

Delivery platforms can stay solvent due to capital markets longer than restaurants and drivers they exploit. Regulation is required.

> Food delivery startups: Hey we'll handle delivery for you for a fee, sounds good?

> Restaurants: Ok! / No, thanks.

How is this exploitation? Please.

Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#35
post #29

How nonsensical to have this as a percentage. The underlying operational cost doesn't really depend on how much money you spent on the food. I don't see how delivery can be profitable on < $10 orders with a 15% cap.

Kinda like how a waitress at a $100 plate steakhouse is making a multiple of the one who works at a greasy spoon diner.

Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that this just shifts costs to other fees like marketing.

I’d rather that and keep the restaurant afloat. If it’s too expensive, maybe the issue is DoorDash itself and they should lower their profit expectations. It’s easier now for people to actually dine out compared to during the height of the pandemic…

My point is that this doesn't necessarily lower costs for anyone. DoorDash ect can move fees around so they aren't "per-order" fees.

Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#38
post #18

This is irrelevant. The delivery companies will just increase the prices of the items, or charge Service Fees, or charge Temporary Local Fees, or charge Taxes. UberEats does exactly this in each of those transactional labels already. And let's not forget the driver tip which often defaults to a percentage of the sum() of the above items.

DoorDash charges a $1 to $2.50 “Regulatory Response Fee”, explained as follows:

> A local regulation has temporarily capped the fees that we may charge local restaurants. To continue to offer you convenient delivery while ensuring that Dashers are active and earning, you will now see an additional fee that we are charging for local orders in this area.

Mission accomplished, everyone!

Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#39
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Delivery platforms can stay solvent due to capital markets longer than restaurants and drivers they exploit. Regulation is required.

> Food delivery startups: Hey we'll handle delivery for you for a fee, sounds good? > Restaurants: Ok! / No, thanks. How is this exploitation? Please.

https://ilsr.org/biting-back-delivery-apps-are-gobbling-up-r...

https://ilsr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/ILSR_SpecialDeli...

https://thecounter.org/grubhub-domain-purchases-thousands-sh...

https://www.eater.com/22228352/convenience-of-delivery-apps-...

https://www.economicliberties.us/our-work/rescuing-restauran...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/technology/delivery-apps-...

Re: San Francisco permanently caps delivery app fees for restaurants at 15%

#40
post #29

How nonsensical to have this as a percentage. The underlying operational cost doesn't really depend on how much money you spent on the food. I don't see how delivery can be profitable on < $10 orders with a 15% cap.

> I don't see how delivery can be profitable on Then don't serve orders under $10. Your reaction to this implies that delivery taking the cut needed to be profitable on a $1 purchase is ok, ignoring the obvious downside to the restaurant.
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