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Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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> Rather than have ideological gate keeping at every level Are you taking the position that all gatekeeping is ideological? Because otherwise, bringing it up when the topic seems to be gatekeeping of factual understanding seems off topic.

It clearly is in this case. Nothing YouTube is doing is anything to do with factual understanding - Google's understanding of the topics in question is extremely poor and certainly not justified with any medical evidence. Their FAQ on the topics simply says they'll block "medical misinformation" which they define as anything the WHO disagrees with. As the WHO has repeatedly disagreed with itself there's no way to be…

> Their FAQ on the topics simply says they'll block "medical misinformation" which they define as anything the WHO disagrees with

This seems entirely sensible to me.

> As the WHO has repeatedly disagreed with itself

Unless I misunderstand you, you're saying this as if it's a bad thing. No one's saying the the decision-making processes at the WHO are perfect, but shifts in stance and advice in response to newly available evidence is not "disagreeing with oneself". It's fundamentally how science works.

In fact, most of the criticisms from credible experts have been that the WHO have been too resistant to updating their positions (in the face of the increasingly overwhelming evidence last year that the virus is airborne, for example).

> this is pure authoritarianism. No fact-finding has gone into this decision.

You consider their policy of deferring to an internationally recognised public health body to inform their content guidelines to be an example of authoritarianism?

If so, what alternative "fact-finding" approaches would you suggest?

Because if we imagine for the sake of argument that YouTube somehow had the means, resources and competence to conduct their own rigorous studies and research, in such a notoriously complex field as public health, and used this to inform their content moderation decisions instead of information from the WHO, how would this be any less "authoritarian"?

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Here's the flipside to your point: "Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology." - here he is discussing Ivermectin with Bret Weinstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY Another video Bret had to re-upload and only a short amount of it, because YouTube removed the original and gave him a strike for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q01LUg97eto

That statement that Malone"invented"is mRNA vaccines is internet heresay. My information is that this woman did the most to creat mRNA vaccines. Her position as EVP of BioNGen suggest that she is the more respected scientist ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karik%C3%B3

The only citation is literally his own website LOL. I should make a website saying I invented Oxygen.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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That statement that Malone"invented"is mRNA vaccines is internet heresay. My information is that this woman did the most to creat mRNA vaccines. Her position as EVP of BioNGen suggest that she is the more respected scientist ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karik%C3%B3

The only citation is literally his own website LOL. I should make a website saying I invented Oxygen.

The wikipedia article about him cites a few things. Who actually invented what and when is probably a bigger research project. Anyway: it doesn't matter much, I think. More important should be the answer to the question: is he right? I don't have an answer to that, though.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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> Neither of those have even half the creators as Youtube. > Youtube is a monopoly and needs to be regulated as such. I don't think this is the right argument against big tech in general. "They are more popular" when it comes to entertainment and when there are other ways to share content that people willingly refuse to use just doesn't demonstrate a clear abuse in my opinion. The most convincing I have seen is when…

Fascists that used Gab and 8chan to publish their manifestos before killing creep me out far more than Zuckerberg ever has.

Because mass-killers never used other means of communications to publish their manifestos before and they were always fascist and were never motivated by other ideologies.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Hmm I'm not trying to be difficult but where does it say that? I can't find any language like that on the page. Rather the opposite, it says: "Special emphasis must be placed on the harm of excluding trials data supporting ivermectin in the prevention of COVID-19. If the preventive efficacy of ivermectin were to be known or accepted, this would allow deployment in regions without vaccines."

I wouldn’t say that is the opposite, as it is suggesting both that ivermectin would be needed to be take as a preventative to slow the spread, and implies that vaccination is needed to stop it. My quote is taken from this page: https://covid19criticalcare.com/guide-for-this-website/expan...

Ah I see, you're quoting different parts of the website.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It clearly is in this case. Nothing YouTube is doing is anything to do with factual understanding - Google's understanding of the topics in question is extremely poor and certainly not justified with any medical evidence. Their FAQ on the topics simply says they'll block "medical misinformation" which they define as anything the WHO disagrees with. As the WHO has repeatedly disagreed with itself there's no way to be…

> Their FAQ on the topics simply says they'll block "medical misinformation" which they define as anything the WHO disagrees with This seems entirely sensible to me. > As the WHO has repeatedly disagreed with itself Unless I misunderstand you, you're saying this as if it's a bad thing. No one's saying the the decision-making processes at the WHO are perfect, but shifts in stance and advice in response to newly availa…

The WHO hasn't changed its views due to "new science", the shifts have all been for political reasons, as was sometimes admitted by their own staff. Additionally this notion that it's ok for "experts" to set policies and claim science as justification then totally change them on a dime largely voids the whole original justification. It implies their original "science" was totally wrong in ways they couldn't detect and thus they presented it with absolute confidence, then they discovered they had badly screwed up but never admitted to it or investigated what went wrong.

In the end, science is respected because it claims to reveal universal truths about nature. If those truths are constantly being announced to be obsolete such that the new truths aren't mere refinements but totally different, what use is science?

As for authoritarianism, preventing people disagreeing with a global authority is a pure example of it, no? YouTube shouldn't even bother trying to figure out the truth here, they aren't able to do so. Just let people thrash it out amongst themselves.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the flipside to your point: "Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology." - here he is discussing Ivermectin with Bret Weinstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY Another video Bret had to re-upload and only a short amount of it, because YouTube removed the original and gave him a strike for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q01LUg97eto

That statement that Malone"invented"is mRNA vaccines is internet heresay. My information is that this woman did the most to creat mRNA vaccines. Her position as EVP of BioNGen suggest that she is the more respected scientist ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karik%C3%B3

It does appear Malone, working at the Salk Institute, headlined the earliest published research proposing that mRNA could transfect into cells via nano particles.

https://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6077.long

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That statement that Malone"invented"is mRNA vaccines is internet heresay. My information is that this woman did the most to creat mRNA vaccines. Her position as EVP of BioNGen suggest that she is the more respected scientist ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karik%C3%B3

The only citation is literally his own website LOL. I should make a website saying I invented Oxygen.

Ironic comment made in ignorance scientific history.

People might take you seriously if you were Michał Sędziwój and had the published studies from the 1600s to prove it. But then they may not, as they did with Sędziwój. Malone has published studies on mRNA from ‘89.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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post #328

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The only citation is literally his own website LOL. I should make a website saying I invented Oxygen.

Ironic comment made in ignorance scientific history. People might take you seriously if you were Michał Sędziwój and had the published studies from the 1600s to prove it. But then they may not, as they did with Sędziwój. Malone has published studies on mRNA from ‘89.

It is really depressing to see this. People don’t even want to do the proper research.
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