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Almost everybody at olympic level takes testosterone and other "supplements". They either dodge testing, use untestable substances or take it right up to the allowed thresholds. Given that, categories in competitions should be based on different bands of hormone levels etc, taking gender/sex out the discussion completely and also helping with this ridiculous projected view that there's no doping going on.
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Current UK situation seems to be that being "Gender Critical" is a protected belief, based on the ruling case of a case where a tax expert lost her job for tweeting about how men cannot just change into women: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Forstater_v_Centre_for_Gl...
Yeah see this is a great example as I have no clue what anybody’s position is there upon a quick skim, and I’ve never even heard the term Gender Critical
TL;DR is that Maya was (apparently) fired for the first opinion, lost a first court case over it because being gender critical is not protected under UK, and won the appeal because it was after all.
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I won't risk saying this in real life or anywhere where my real identity is known, but I do wonder if the end result will be similar to what's common in many parts of Asia: a third/fourth gender. Instead of saying trans people are 100% identical to the gender they identify as, they'll be seen as something different. E.g., In Thailand there's the concept of kathoey (westerners refer to them as ladyboys). The Indian su…
It is common to hear a transwoman claim (indeed, even occasionally here on HN) that anything other than recognizing them as equal to ciswomen is an act of violence and prejudice against them, and at worst, they utter some invective about “TERFs”. So, suggesting the recognition of a new gender is unlikely to satisfy at least those strident individuals.
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> The fact is sex and gender exists on a continuum, even if 99% of the time it seems binary. I was with you until this statement. Sex is a millions-of-years-old discrete variable; it depends on whether you could produce the bigger gamete (called egg) or the smaller one (sperm). Gender is a continuous variable with a strongly bimodal distribution.
No, as OP said, it is a continuum. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrom... , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex . It is just very strongly bimodal (even more strongly than gender).
Also: people with Klinefelter Syndrome are male.
I don't know the history of all sports, but the few tidbits I know all point to sex/gender separation as being initially based on beliefs that women were inferior to men. From physical sports to mental ones like chess, sex separation was due to women not being seen as equal to men. I think its time to do away with separations on sex, and go with ones based on ability and size. Boxing does it with weight classes, why…
Women would be crushed. As far as physical sports at the highest levels of play are concerned, women are inferior to men. That's not to say that women are lesser because of it, but that's just how it goes. Karsten Braasch (peaked out at around 40th worldwide) beat both of the Williams sisters (both rank 1 players) back-to-back. He was twice their age and known for smoking cigarettes during changeovers. Male weightlif…
Actually there is in the world of MMA. MtF fighter Fallon Fox dominated lots of biologically female fighters, in one particularly nasty incident it took her less than 3 minutes to give Tamikka Brents a concussion, a broken orbital, and leave her needing a bunch of staples to patch her skin back together [0].
If you do read the article, Tamikka Brents explains she is an abnormally strong woman, she is, but not compared to Fallon Fox. Tamikka Brents [1]. Tamikka Brents and Fallon Fox weigh in [2].
[0] https://www.attacktheback.com/transgender-mma-fighter-fallon... [1] https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tamikka-Brents-70699 [2] http://whoatv.com/fallon-fox-vs-tamikka-brents-fight-video/
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It might be better to have hormone classes in sports the way boxing has weight classes. You could have Mike Tyson class all the way through Betty White class, and as a side benefit you'd be able to put women's sports teams in with appropriately matched men. As another side benefit a lot of people who were simply born with the wrong stuff to compete could rise to the top of their class by hard work. Since there's not…
Have classes for everything, this way everyone is in their own special class and everyone is a world champion. This way everyone will be happy right? /s
I don't have a big problem with people who "identify as" someone else. I have a big one with people who insist that *I* must call them in a particular way. It clashes with the idea that freedom of one person stops where freedom of another person starts. What about my right to call another person as I see them? This is invasive. I'm not telling them how to live - they are. This is *gaslighting* and promoting *taboos*.…
So this would also apply to say, racial slurs and personal insults. Calling someone a name or the n-word instead of their name, that's a freedom? What about antisemitic slurs or insulting disabled people? How about just referring to women as sex objects, that's also within that rule. As well as doing the same for children or the deceased.
You don't expect people to be insulted by such things? Are you serious?
I don't think you actually mean what you say.
I may be a few years behind on terminology (?) but surely sports has everything to do with sex and nothing to do with gender? No one cares what pronouns an athlete uses, how they dress, what roles and behaviours society traditionally assigns/expects of them and how they respond to those traditions. They care entirely about biological advantages and disadvantages. So the division is based on — again unsure of the term…
sports has everything to do with sex and nothing to do with gender Dividing by sex is a substitute for dividing by the things that really matter: height, weight, strength, bone density, etc. If sports grouped competitors by a combination of those attributes, it would solve a lot of issues, including debate over transgender athletes.
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"Ideology"? Is it unfathomable to you that people would reasonably be able to feel that they have a different biological gender to how they feel in their mind? And that people cavalierly dismissing their acceptance in society is somehow not harmful? If you want to talk respectfully about the implications of transgender athletes in sport, that's one thing. But what you are doing is not that. You're trying to dismiss t…
I've been curious if anyone has studied why there are more and more transgender people lately. I don't believe it is only due to awareness and perception - it seems to be occuring more and more frequently. Do other animals with similar levels of consciousness experience gender dysmorphia?