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Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by moooo99 »

armed10 wrote: post #38

In the final example the handwriting is adapted to the application, and differs significantly from the original handwriting used in earlier examples. Then it goes on to say that the app has everything you need, while needing to learn to write in monospace for it to work. Being someone with poor handwriting, this would slow down writing for me. A possible answer for this would be to update the expected places for a ch…

This is also what bothers me. The example before the one you mentioned looked the best to me. And it seemed to reliably detect numbers and operators as well, so I don't see why this approach should not be able to resolve the equation like the last example did.

Writing in monospace is not only unnatural, but the approach shown even makes it one step worse: you need to write in the cells. You're completely giving up the flexibility of handwriting, you need to know your equation before you write it down, otherwise you're risking running out of "cells" on the left or right.

Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by fratajcz »

ajuc wrote: post #46
kzrdude wrote: post #43

Nobody writes asterisks like that in handwriting - is that to help the ocr? We just use an × for multiplication, really.

Depends on the country. In Poland it's usually nothing for multiplication: (x+3)(10-y) then dot, then asterisk. Nobody writes "x" for scalar multiplication cause it's easy to mistake it for the variable x. What do you mean by 2xy? 2 * y or 2 * x * y? Another cultural difference is how 7 and 1 is written - in USA you write 7 with 2 strokes and 1 with 1 stroke. In my country 7 is always crossed (always has 3 strokes) a…

In this case, most people will write the variable x with curved ends (𝑥) and the operator with straight ends.

Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by dariosalvi78 »

kzrdude wrote: post #43

Nobody writes asterisks like that in handwriting - is that to help the ocr? We just use an × for multiplication, really.

Actually using asterisks for multiplications is something you do on computers not when writing on paper, or at least this is how I was taught at school and university

Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by rpastuszak »

breck wrote: post #32
satyrnein wrote: post #13

I find the current state of the art on stylus text entry so disappointing. I made a hacky prototype 7 years ago (!) and this kind of direct interaction remains a dream: https://youtu.be/So4x3Cu4WI0 I had a glimmer of hope when Apple started selling styluses, that they might succeed where Microsoft failed. But instead, they're putting mouse cursors on iPads, and the stylus is still a niche tool for artists.

Remarkable 2 is a total breakthrough product. I rarely use my iPad any more. The pen with the friction with the tip that wears down was key—-feels like paper.

I use Paperlike with my iPad Pro for the same reason and must say that it's really hard to switch back!

I'd use Remarkable if: it was cheaper and supported a full colour display/Procreate. But, obv. that's not what the device was designed for and that's ok.

Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by mlajtos »

smoldesu wrote: post #7

Reminds me of how OneNote worked in... 2013, I wanna say? Funny how different people still act equally as blown-away by technology that's been around for decades, but I guess that's retrofuturism raison d'etre.

OneNote you mentioned [0] seems nice, but the point is taking this kind of thing to the next level by providing a more advanced notation coupled with dead-simple user interaction.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Ly2ol9seo

Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by fho »

armed10 wrote: post #38

In the final example the handwriting is adapted to the application, and differs significantly from the original handwriting used in earlier examples. Then it goes on to say that the app has everything you need, while needing to learn to write in monospace for it to work. Being someone with poor handwriting, this would slow down writing for me. A possible answer for this would be to update the expected places for a ch…

Anyone still remembers [Graffiti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS))? ;-)

Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by mlajtos »

kzrdude wrote: post #43

Nobody writes asterisks like that in handwriting - is that to help the ocr? We just use an × for multiplication, really.

I write asterisk like that. :) But middle dot "·" works as well. Problem with "×" is that it is basically letter "x". This ambiguity applies to more characters, just a simple example – a lot of Americans write "1", "l", "I", "|" as one symbol. This is fine when you have context, e.g. a phone number, but programming language is a mixed bag where context isn't much of a help.

Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by gambiting »

Am I the only person here with handwritting so bad that the automated recognition just completely and utterly fails?

I got the latest iPad Pro with the Pencil 2 some time ago - and as much as my friends rave about the "very good and totally great" handwriting recognition in text fields, it's just totally bust for me. I can't write a single word and have it recognized correctly on first try. It takes me 10x as long to scrible as it does to just poke at keys on a virtual keyboard with the pencil.

And yes, I can read my own handwriting. Just the computer apparently can't.

Re: New Kind of Paper

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Post by nnamtr »

mmackh wrote: post #19

Faulty handwriting recognition causes data loss. Instead of relying on machine learning as a crutch, we should design systems and UIs that can do recognition, but don’t discard the original data.

Bad handwriting causes data loss since 5000 years probably. Whether it's an AI or a human reading it, handwriting is sometimes impossible to decipher. To avoid data loss, don't use handwriting or write very neat.
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