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The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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I've been getting way into disc golf over the last month ever since I went down a namesake youtube rabbit hole in early May. Bought some discs and have been slugging it out at the local course. It seems less consistent than ball golf, the wind has a huge impact on a throw, which I find takes some of the pressure off. It's great fun, and the price barrier is super low. Would definitely recommend anyone to give it a sh…

I've been playing since 2007ish, and the highlight of my "career" was playing in a PDGA tournament in Idaho. I got 3rd place in the amateur division (the lowest there is) and didn't stop grinning for a week!

Have fun out there, it's a great sport

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends how many discs you lose, including the ones you threw in a tree to knock another one loose XD

I glued a small buzzer, battery and switch to my disc in the beginning to help track it down. The Doppler effect was pretty sweet when you let it fly :)

I've often thought about how one could rig up such a thing with either lights or sound, but without sacrificing the pretty carefully designed aerodynamic profile of the discs. Not sure how it'd be possible without molding it into the disc itself... :)

Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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> According to 2019 data from the athlete marketing platform Opendorse, only about 70 athletes in the world make at least a million dollars a year in endorsement deals. McBeth’s endorsement income from Discraft alone puts him on par with Bears linebacker Khalil Mack, Jazz guard Mike Conley Jr., and Astros pitcher Justin Verlander. This doesn't pass the smell test at all. Opendorse doesn't give any transparency into h…

Yeah, the article seems to reference this post:

https://opendorse.com/blog/top-100-highest-paid-athlete-endo...

Yet, this article from Sports Illustrated claims Derrick Rose and John Wall have multi-million dollar endorsement deals with Adidas that would have been active in 2019.

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/06/derrick-rose-adidas-sneake...

This article from Forbes claims footballers like Sergio Ramos and Luis Suárez earned more than $1 million through endorsements in 2019.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinasettimi/2019/06/18/the...

It might not be an order of magnitude, but there are certainly many more professional athletes who earned more than $1 million in endorsements in 2019.

Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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I've watched some Disc Golf by happenstance recently on a sports channel and later on YouTube, and while it is a niche sport, it's tremendously entertaining.

You see four guys throw the disc in the same way, and a fifth one throw it some other way. With the second, third etc throws you get the flight paths of the earlier throws superimposed on the picture, so you can immediately compare those flight paths. You get instant distant measurements, and course overviews (like a mini map).

All this hooked me instantly.

I have no idea if "proper" golf has stuff like that, but if not, they should.

Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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> According to 2019 data from the athlete marketing platform Opendorse, only about 70 athletes in the world make at least a million dollars a year in endorsement deals. McBeth’s endorsement income from Discraft alone puts him on par with Bears linebacker Khalil Mack, Jazz guard Mike Conley Jr., and Astros pitcher Justin Verlander. This doesn't pass the smell test at all. Opendorse doesn't give any transparency into h…

Yeah, the article seems to reference this post: https://opendorse.com/blog/top-100-highest-paid-athlete-endo... Yet, this article from Sports Illustrated claims Derrick Rose and John Wall have multi-million dollar endorsement deals with Adidas that would have been active in 2019. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/06/derrick-rose-adidas-sneake... This article from Forbes claims footballers like Sergio Ramos and Luis Suár…

On second thought, judging by the endorsement deals of these tennis players in 2019, maybe it is an order of magnitude greater:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/08/26/high...

Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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> According to 2019 data from the athlete marketing platform Opendorse, only about 70 athletes in the world make at least a million dollars a year in endorsement deals. McBeth’s endorsement income from Discraft alone puts him on par with Bears linebacker Khalil Mack, Jazz guard Mike Conley Jr., and Astros pitcher Justin Verlander. This doesn't pass the smell test at all. Opendorse doesn't give any transparency into h…

I’m thinking they cherry-picked some names that aren’t worried about endorsement deals.

It’s a silly comparison. Mike Conley Jr. makes about $30m/year salary. He may not be that interested in endorsements.

Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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I've been getting way into disc golf over the last month ever since I went down a namesake youtube rabbit hole in early May. Bought some discs and have been slugging it out at the local course. It seems less consistent than ball golf, the wind has a huge impact on a throw, which I find takes some of the pressure off. It's great fun, and the price barrier is super low. Would definitely recommend anyone to give it a sh…

I started playing about a year ago during the pandemic and it's been a really fun and cheap way to get outside, play a casual sport with friends or even solo.

I also highly recommend watching a tournament on JomezPro[0]. They do day-after post production of tournaments and their videos are absurdly high quality for the size and scope of their team. They really seem to take an iterative approach to their product and UX and are seemingly just an indie shop who blew away the existing competition over the years while innovating regularly. Even though they're not 'hard tech' I view them as startup-like and a blueprint for video/media companies of the future.

As mentioned in the parent comment, the PDGA world championship starts today (first video tomorrow!) and that's a great way to jump in. You can watch live, but I find the post-production far more consumable. Watching old tournaments is honestly enjoyable too. Very calming to put on in the background while working.

[0] Here's a highlight reel for some quick hits showing off both the production and great disc golf shots: https://youtu.be/DXTVIwOQG2M?t=29

Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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> According to 2019 data from the athlete marketing platform Opendorse, only about 70 athletes in the world make at least a million dollars a year in endorsement deals. McBeth’s endorsement income from Discraft alone puts him on par with Bears linebacker Khalil Mack, Jazz guard Mike Conley Jr., and Astros pitcher Justin Verlander. This doesn't pass the smell test at all. Opendorse doesn't give any transparency into h…

I'm also skeptical. There are no rock climbers on this list. Climbing is still a relatively niche sport (though depending on where you are, it might be one of the most popular), but I'd wager participants collectively spend as much on climbing equipment as many more popular sports. The gear is quite expensive, and for safety reasons, much of it needs to be replaced with relative regularity. You'd be hard-pressed to f…

In skiing, only a few individuals at the very top make any real money.

Most "professional skiers" just get free gear and travel budgets to film a segment or go to competitions.

To be a professional, you either have to be a massive dirtbag, or have a trust fund; and the former has gotten much harder these days.

Same deal for professional climbers, AFIAK.

I also disagree in that climbing seems quite affordable compared to other outdoor recreation. Shoes and ropes are the biggest wearable expenses (the latter of which you can split with your partner).

You can even get a trad rack for ~500$ that will last you a decade (minus replacing a stuck piece occasionally).

Most importantly, climbing outside is free.

When I walk out of my house to go skiing, I probably have close to 7k in gear on me, all of which has to be replaced every 2-5 seasons :(

Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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> According to 2019 data from the athlete marketing platform Opendorse, only about 70 athletes in the world make at least a million dollars a year in endorsement deals. McBeth’s endorsement income from Discraft alone puts him on par with Bears linebacker Khalil Mack, Jazz guard Mike Conley Jr., and Astros pitcher Justin Verlander. This doesn't pass the smell test at all. Opendorse doesn't give any transparency into h…

I'm also skeptical. There are no rock climbers on this list. Climbing is still a relatively niche sport (though depending on where you are, it might be one of the most popular), but I'd wager participants collectively spend as much on climbing equipment as many more popular sports. The gear is quite expensive, and for safety reasons, much of it needs to be replaced with relative regularity. You'd be hard-pressed to f…

You’re mistaken.

My wife was a sponsored rock climber when we met, and we know quite a few top level climbers (including a couple that non climbers might actually have heard of). Sponsorship keeps many of them going, but not at the level you’re thinking of.

Think “can afford to do a euro trip staying at Airbnb’s”. Which is cool, but you probably make more than any of them with your developer gig.

Re: The Rise of the $10M Disc Golf Celebrity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also skeptical. There are no rock climbers on this list. Climbing is still a relatively niche sport (though depending on where you are, it might be one of the most popular), but I'd wager participants collectively spend as much on climbing equipment as many more popular sports. The gear is quite expensive, and for safety reasons, much of it needs to be replaced with relative regularity. You'd be hard-pressed to f…

In skiing, only a few individuals at the very top make any real money. Most "professional skiers" just get free gear and travel budgets to film a segment or go to competitions. To be a professional, you either have to be a massive dirtbag, or have a trust fund; and the former has gotten much harder these days. Same deal for professional climbers, AFIAK. I also disagree in that climbing seems quite affordable compared…

Sponsored climbers are quite common. Climbers who would have no chance of winning a competition and are climbing nowhere near the frontier of the sport can become sponsored; it's often about building connections and a name for themselves (perhaps for being really good at one specific move, or doing some first ascents in a remote area).

I think very few climbers have made $1 million in a year from sponsorships. But if I had to guess, I'd say Alex Honnold and Lynn Hill have (and perhaps a handful of a few others). Sure, it's probably not $1mm every year, but I'd be surprised if they're not making that some years. Right now, the climbing "industry" is also going through a massive boom which has led to hundreds of new gear companies, so this might be the most lucrative time ever to be a sponsored rock climber.

And yes, it's not the most expensive sport either, I already acknowledged skiing is likely more expensive. As someone who climbs outside 30-50 times a year I personally would need to spend ~$400/year just to keep up with replacing helmets, harnesses, ropes, slings, shoes, and misc. lost/broken/damaged gear. It's more because I'm adding to my trad rack constantly, but I know lots of climbers who spend roughly this amount every year, none of whom climb competitively or professionally.

And you can get a trad rack for $500 (in the U.S.), but that would just be single cams from .3-3 with carabiners, a nut tool, and a handful of slings and nuts. And you'd still have to buy it used. Add in quickdraws, double cams, more nuts, and other gear (guidebooks, bouldering pads, totems, offsets, hexes, tricams, UFOs, aiders, big bros, portledges, pulleys, ascenders, haul bags), and as a non-professional climber, it can be very easy to spend >$1000/year.

Compare this with a soccer player who plays a couple of pickup games every week. Even if soccer is a much more popular sport for people to play/watch, it's easy to imagine how the same amount of money could be spent on climbing gear collectively.

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