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Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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IIRC there was an episode where someone's cat was the cause of their mysterious illness (toxoplasmosis I think).

By the way, the common myth is misleading. Toxoplasmosis is almost always caused by undercooked meat, which is why it's so much more common in France. You can get it from cats but it's almost always stray cats, not house cats.

I don’t think undercooked meat nor stray cats explain the 30–50% prevalence rate. You have a source for your claim?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3963851/

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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Who knows what the net affect is but taking the final sentences of some of the results paragraphs makes it seem like taking care of a cat is a good idea: > [...] Therefore, cat ownership may be involved in mediating the abundance of disease-related gut microbes. > [...] Therefore, from the perspective of gut microbiota, our study not only supports that there might be no correlation between cat ownership and obesity b…

Also posted on HN today: “Toxoplasmosis – A Global Threat. Correlation of Latent Toxoplasmosis with Specific Disease Burden in a Set of 88 Countries”

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27599085

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3963851/

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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There's enough smoke there, that my vote is a 'no' on whether to get a cat or cats, especially if small children might be involved at some point.

Sure, if you aren't ready for the cat taking guardianship role - my nephew grew up with the cat taking position beside him in his crib from the very first days he was brought home from the hospital.

My dogs did this when my sister was born, at least until she was moving around on her own. Whenever you put her down to change her, they'd lay a few feet away (one on each side) and growl if anyone they weren't sure of tried to get too close. I don't recall them ever growling at anything else, and were fine with visitors at any other time, so it really stood out.

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC there was an episode where someone's cat was the cause of their mysterious illness (toxoplasmosis I think).

By the way, the common myth is misleading. Toxoplasmosis is almost always caused by undercooked meat, which is why it's so much more common in France. You can get it from cats but it's almost always stray cats, not house cats.

Do you have a source for that? (I'm not doubting; I'm looking for further reading on the subject, as I've been curious about toxoplasmosis since first getting my own cats over a decade ago...)

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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...why not let them outdoors during night?

The coyotes agree with this premise.

Was awakened one morning by a horrible shrieking noise coming from somewhere else in the house. When I got up to check what had happened my wife was freaking out because there was something under one of the orange trees in the back yard that she didn't like.

One of the neighbors had a very fluffy cat they would let outside, who liked to loaf in the lower branches of our orange trees and my wife likes watching cats lounge about.

Well that particular morning she witnesses a coyote appear from nowhere and snatch the cat. By the time I ran it off, the only thing left of the cat was a pile of fur and it's tail. The coyote jumped over the 6ft tall cinder block fence with the rest of the cat like it wasn't there and ran off.

It was pretty common for cats to go missing in the area and very few folks would heed the warnings about small pets being allowed out.

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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"Sixty percent of cat owners sleep with their cats, which may enhance their sense of security and improve their quality of sleep" Maybe, but now only between the hours of 10pm - 5:30am, for me anyway.

> "Sixty percent of cat owners sleep with their cats, which may enhance their sense of security and improve their quality of sleep" I regularly open my eyes in the middle of the night and my cat's face is about 5 inches away from mine, just sitting there perfectly still, staring at me.

He is planning your murder.

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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We learned years ago that our cats get put in the lower part of our house with the door closed at night. We felt bad about it, but being able to sleep all night made up for it. Quick story: for several nights, I'd wake up in the middle of the night with horrendous stomach pains. I was thinking I needed to see the doctor it was so painful. Then on the fourth night when the pain hit I woke up fast enough to notice our…

That’s hilarious. Goes to show how impossible some “debugging” is. No sane doctor would say “so your stomach hurts at night, do you own a fat cat?”

A doctor could order a polysomnography and observe the patient sleeping. The cat will not be present in controlled environments so the test result will be a false negative. The issue is closed as unable to reproduce...

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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That’s hilarious. Goes to show how impossible some “debugging” is. No sane doctor would say “so your stomach hurts at night, do you own a fat cat?”

A doctor could order a polysomnography and observe the patient sleeping. The cat will not be present in controlled environments so the test result will be a false negative. The issue is closed as unable to reproduce...

Take 2 of these and call me in the morning. We might need to adjust the dose, or we could try something else. Let's make a weekly schedule so we can keep trying different things.

**Doctor immediately starts thinking about that vacation he's going to be able to take from the extra insurance claims from this one patient alone

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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If I'm reading the scatter plots correctly, it looks like the differences in the means between the two populations is much smaller than the one-sigma variation within each population. So while the correlations may technically be statistically significant, they aren't necessarily impactful.

> they aren't necessarily impactful.

Much like PLoS ONE ;)

Re: Effects of cat ownership on the gut microbiota of owners

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We learned years ago that our cats get put in the lower part of our house with the door closed at night. We felt bad about it, but being able to sleep all night made up for it. Quick story: for several nights, I'd wake up in the middle of the night with horrendous stomach pains. I was thinking I needed to see the doctor it was so painful. Then on the fourth night when the pain hit I woke up fast enough to notice our…

...why not let them outdoors during night?

you must really not like pets, or at least cats to suggest this. cats are just tasty snacks for most of the other animal night life
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