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Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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Unlimited PTO means they don’t have to pay out anything. It’s effectively 0 on the balance sheet.

Doesn’t the “P” mean paid?

if you leave your job, the company has to pay for your unused vacation days as part of your severance if you have a set number of vacation days.

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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I think it would be but I also would like forced time off as well. As well as forced socializing with team mates. And a sabbatical every 5 years or so. But if I can find a job with full health benefits that lets me work three days a week, I'm going for it. Heck, that is the best argument in favor of universal healthcare. It would help unemployment, because way more people would be working part time.

> As well as forced socializing with team mates. One of these things is not like the other... I can tolerate the occasional "mandatory fun" corporate event, but only within reason (e.g. I have kids, so don't give me grief for leaving early). And I think the entire "work hard play hard" office culture, where you're expected to do happy hour everyday and build your social life around co-workers in order to prove you're…

Just the mention of "mandatory fun" sends shivers through my socially anxious spine

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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Unlimited PTO means they don’t have to pay out anything. It’s effectively 0 on the balance sheet.

Doesn’t the “P” mean paid?

Unlimited PTO is a money-saving tactic for businesses. Traditional unused PTO is paid out upon resignation, but flex unlimited PTO has no such requirement.

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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Adobe does two of these every year, one in winter around the holidays and one in July. From my perspective as an individual contributor, there are a few advantages: - With no feature/project work that week, there is zero pressure to check email or slack. - Teams are forced to build systems that are automated, resilient and documented enough that most of the staff won't need to be contacted during the shutdown week. -…

You guys check work email and work Slack when on holidays?

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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I've never been so envious of happily married people in my life. Being single throughout this ordeal has broken me mentally, particularly at an age (31) where I'm staring down the last couple years of being able to meet someone my age. And the prospects coming out of it are grim. For people with a happy home life, this may have been a good time. But for the isolated, work from home, single people with no long term so…

Huh? What? I'm about to turn 32 and I'm a bit confused about the whole "last couple of years of being able to meet someone". I know people who met and got married in their 40s... Edit: go easy on yourself pal. We've all got enough to deal with in the world without beating ourselves up over imaginary deadlines. Edit2: also, a lot of marriages are not happy. Imagine having to live in one of them during a pandemic. Usua…

Good luck if you plan on having kids after 40 though...

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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Adobe does two of these every year, one in winter around the holidays and one in July. From my perspective as an individual contributor, there are a few advantages: - With no feature/project work that week, there is zero pressure to check email or slack. - Teams are forced to build systems that are automated, resilient and documented enough that most of the staff won't need to be contacted during the shutdown week. -…

You guys check work email and work Slack when on holidays?

Some people do. My team within Adobe discourages it.

There are some really great hobby slack channels that I personally check on vacation. Can be hard to ignore the random work questions while doing that.

Once another team investigating an outage tried to contact me on vacation... I sent them a photo of my bike in an empty field in the mountains of Oregon and said "Sorry, bad internet out here!"

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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Twitter allows for full time remote. They were one of the first companies to announce it with COVID [0] [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/10/01/twitter...

I was trying to make sense of these lines from the article. I probably misunderstood. > Twitter has said that it expects a majority of its staff to spend some time working remotely and some time in the office. That's despite its boss Jack Dorsey initially saying that employees could work from home "forever". > And Google rejigged its timetable for bringing people back to the workplace. As of 1 September, employees wi…

Gotcha, yeah I know for sure twitter is allowing 100% remote. People will have the option to go to an office if they want at Twitter but there's no requirement or need to apply like what you're saying google is doing.

Though, google has way more employees than twitter I believe (5,000+ vs 130,000+)

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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Huh? What? I'm about to turn 32 and I'm a bit confused about the whole "last couple of years of being able to meet someone". I know people who met and got married in their 40s... Edit: go easy on yourself pal. We've all got enough to deal with in the world without beating ourselves up over imaginary deadlines. Edit2: also, a lot of marriages are not happy. Imagine having to live in one of them during a pandemic. Usua…

I only know through friends, but dating in your 30s seems like an absolute nightmare - they all hate it and find it completely joyless and deeply cynical. Trying to fit someone new into an already fully-formed life at that point seems very hard. Also 35 is the point where medicine considers a pregnancy to be 'geriatric'. And some people are going through menopause by 40! You don't have an infinite amount of time in l…

The technical term was 'geriatric primagravida' for us with a first child at 32! It felt quite insulting at the time.

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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> As well as forced socializing with team mates. One of these things is not like the other... I can tolerate the occasional "mandatory fun" corporate event, but only within reason (e.g. I have kids, so don't give me grief for leaving early). And I think the entire "work hard play hard" office culture, where you're expected to do happy hour everyday and build your social life around co-workers in order to prove you're…

I was thinking along the lines of a fun day during working hours, where everyone who lives near by should come in. Holiday party, Icecream Social, Even just a day of meetings with breakfast and lunch included. Basically give people a few work days a year where they are expected to be there, but not really get anything done.

Bloomberg let you do philanthropy work during working hours, and they assign you some amount of money depending on the hours you do that you can donate to charity.

I met a few people during such events, which is more or less what you say: you are with people from the company (not necessarily teammates, we did it as a team only once) and you might be helping public parks clean, or take trash from canal on a canoe, or sort food in a food shelter. It's a nice way to take a break, meet people from other areas, feel good about something you do, and managers have been very supportive of that, and they do it too.

I think that is a good balance of what you are talking about

Re: Bumble closes to give 'burnt-out' staff a week's break

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Good. We're taking all of July off at my company. Why? Because covid was an incredibly hard period for all of us and we as humans need a break. Somehow we all just seem to expect things to keep going like nothing changed. We all just seem to be expected to gloss over the pains of isolation, potential death and stress of work and life with no separation or boundaries. We made a conscious decision at my place of work t…

What would I do with time off?

Thanks to questioning things and generally being a blunt person I no longer have anyone willing to speak to me outside of work colleagues who must do so for work.

Family and partner all gone before covid. I've been here in a room by myself wfh doing nothing else, seeing noone, since marchc 2020 and there is now noone to see.

Time off MEANS NOTHING now.

No-one can give me back my life from 2019, and no-one who supportes the anti covid measures that stripped away everything else is likely to consider it a loss.

I have nothing but work left. I also do not like my job and seriously struggle to focus for more than a minute as it's all so FUCKING MEANINGLESS.

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