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Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#91

This sounds like it might be good thing for the company. Having employees who have extra capacity is incredibly important for an organization that wants to get things done; if you're constantly hard at work on something important, when something else comes up (someone has a question, there's a bug or an outage, whatever), you either have to delay the thing you're already working on, or delay the thing that came up. T…

>if you're constantly hard at work on something important, when something else comes up (someone has a question, there's a bug or an outage, whatever), you either have to delay the thing you're already working on, or delay the thing that came up. This tends to have a cascade effect on most kinds of work, locking up all your people resources.

Working in a retail store/break-fix repair/MSP environment, for a small business in a small city, this is absolutely the case. There is nothing more frustrating than having three customer projects on your plate, all of which are important (think "the email server is down"), and then the doorbell or phone rings and you end up spending half an hour walking an old lady through resetting her facebook password. It's an absolutely massive productivity killer, as well as making the day feel longer.

More employees would be the normal solution, but that's not possible here (we've had more in the past, it wasn't financially viable, apparently). Unless of course they started paying commission based on what people actually got done instead of a regular wage, which I'm not a fan of. (Though to be fair, if we did switch to that, the one employee who barely does anything would either get his ass in gear, or leave, so win/win maybe?)

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#92

This sounds like it might be good thing for the company. Having employees who have extra capacity is incredibly important for an organization that wants to get things done; if you're constantly hard at work on something important, when something else comes up (someone has a question, there's a bug or an outage, whatever), you either have to delay the thing you're already working on, or delay the thing that came up. T…

Or in productivity, utilization != throughput.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#93

At 3 hours a day, you work as much as everyone else does. [0] [0] https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/in-an-8-hour-day-the-aver...

If I’m your boss, sitting next to you and in full view of your screen, and I’m there for 8 hours working, will the average person work a real 8 hours?

If you're my boss watching me that closely, I'm going to be reading up on the OSS workforce sabotage manual.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#94

Check threads here: https://www.teamblind.com/ It is a way of life at FAANG, Uber, etc. Don’t feel guilty. These companies will eventually realize they need to change, or perhaps they are okay with it.

Why would they change if they print money?

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#95

At 3 hours a day, you work as much as everyone else does. [0] [0] https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/in-an-8-hour-day-the-aver...

Which is the best argument for WFH, really. At 3h a day + 1h commuting, it's 6h a day wasted for being in an office, crazy.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#96

I was in a similar rut. Not just professionally but academically as well for most of my life. Motivation had to be forced to do more than just enough to blend into the crowd. It took me saying enough is enough in my 40's to go get tested. Turns out I have ADHD. Getting therapy to deal with anxiety and depression stuff as well as getting on Adderall has done wonders. I'm not suddenly working 40+ hours always in the zo…

thanks for posting this. I've been putting getting tested off for a long time. I don't think anyone ever suspected me of ADHD because even though I'd do the bare minimum in school I'd generally do well.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing you live in , I guess you would have been screwed if you lived in a society before Adderall and ADHD existed, eh?

They might have been perfectly okay in the Manhattan Project doing varied but unplanned fast-paced research, as a WWII fighter pilot, doing subsea welding for the oil industry, being a scout in any number of military forces, being a professional athlete on the bleeding edge of rock climbing and so on. I think the rise of ADHD as a common impediment correlates very strongly with a society that has few good career opti…

Yeah having the same device, software, and websites I use for work also able to connect to things I use for not work does not help my ADHD.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#99
This is exactly why I've concluded trying to go my own way is the best long-term plan for me. Before learning about YC and HN and such, the thought never really occurred to me.

When I'm working on a personal project I'm really passionate about, my productivity is literally orders of magnitude higher than at any day job I've had. Months or years are compressed into days.

For any ambitious personal project that I'm intrinsically motivated by, I'm working on it and designing it pretty much every free moment I have. It's actually crazy to me how much I can get done if there's absolutely zero "ugh field" [1] inhibiting me. It doesn't feel like work at all. I'd happily take 20% of my current salary if it meant I could do that all day instead.

Even if it's stressful and even if I might fail miserably, I think life should be lived. If there's even the tiniest sliver of a chance that I could support myself just doing something like that, I know I'd be much happier. And if turning such a thing into a job or organization sucks the fun out of it, then I'll just keep trying again and again until I can find a project with a sufficiently viable enjoyment:financial stability ratio.

[1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/EFQ3F6kmt4WHXRqik/ugh-fields (Regarding the author's username: yes, it's that one.)

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#100

Check threads here: https://www.teamblind.com/ It is a way of life at FAANG, Uber, etc. Don’t feel guilty. These companies will eventually realize they need to change, or perhaps they are okay with it.

Why would they change if they print money?

in which case, this style of work is OK and should be accepted instead of shamed
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