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Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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At 3 hours a day, you work as much as everyone else does. [0] [0] https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/in-an-8-hour-day-the-aver...

I can't remember the last time I worked more than 3 hours, being done by lunch time everyday is great. If I work in the afternoon it is just mandatory meetings.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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At 3 hours a day, you work as much as everyone else does. [0] [0] https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/in-an-8-hour-day-the-aver...

I did an HN poll, how many hours per day do you work including meetings and etc, and the answer was a normal distribution around 6 hours a day. https://imgur.com/qdSltlM The left axis is years of seniority.

For a lot of people "meetings" aren't productive work. They may be necessary for communication but they are not actual work for a lot of people. It's entirely different if you're a manager or someone else whose main job is largely communication.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did an HN poll, how many hours per day do you work including meetings and etc, and the answer was a normal distribution around 6 hours a day. https://imgur.com/qdSltlM The left axis is years of seniority.

For a lot of people "meetings" aren't productive work. They may be necessary for communication but they are not actual work for a lot of people. It's entirely different if you're a manager or someone else whose main job is largely communication.

At least with work from home, I generally do not consider my meetings part of my work because I can go and do work in my meeting.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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At 3 hours a day, you work as much as everyone else does. [0] [0] https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/in-an-8-hour-day-the-aver...

If I’m your boss, sitting next to you and in full view of your screen, and I’m there for 8 hours working, will the average person work a real 8 hours?

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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At 3 hours a day, you work as much as everyone else does. [0] [0] https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/in-an-8-hour-day-the-aver...

I did an HN poll, how many hours per day do you work including meetings and etc, and the answer was a normal distribution around 6 hours a day. https://imgur.com/qdSltlM The left axis is years of seniority.

Did you segment this for presentation purposes, or were there only 3 ranges to choose from? I‘m asking because the latter could also mean that most people work 4h. Deducing [4;8] = 6 would not really work.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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I was in a similar rut. Not just professionally but academically as well for most of my life. Motivation had to be forced to do more than just enough to blend into the crowd. It took me saying enough is enough in my 40's to go get tested. Turns out I have ADHD. Getting therapy to deal with anxiety and depression stuff as well as getting on Adderall has done wonders. I'm not suddenly working 40+ hours always in the zo…

“Not working enough? Just take meth!”

Being snarkily dismissive of mental disorders isn't a great look, especially when OP stated that they also went to therapy for anxiety/depression and also stated they work less now than they did before because they're able to properly focus.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#68

At 3 hours a day, you work as much as everyone else does. [0] [0] https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/in-an-8-hour-day-the-aver...

If I’m your boss, sitting next to you and in full view of your screen, and I’m there for 8 hours working, will the average person work a real 8 hours?

If you're my boss and doing this, then you're getting none of your own work done.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

#69

I was in a similar rut. Not just professionally but academically as well for most of my life. Motivation had to be forced to do more than just enough to blend into the crowd. It took me saying enough is enough in my 40's to go get tested. Turns out I have ADHD. Getting therapy to deal with anxiety and depression stuff as well as getting on Adderall has done wonders. I'm not suddenly working 40+ hours always in the zo…

“Not working enough? Just take meth!”

The dose makes the poison. With methamphetamines, the toxic dose just happens to be quite small. Ever tried a mega dose of Aspirin? It can kill you.

Re: Ask HN: Feeling guilty for doing the bare minimum at work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From the feedback I got, I wasn't much more productive working more hours I've had this feedback too and I feel like it is likely not true. Really what it is is that your managers aren't paying much attention to your output and have sort of written you off for promotions, raises, etc. This was feedback I got a couple of months after I had been working my ass off trying to impress management and then a couple of wee…

I've actually noticed a completely inverse relationship between how hard & how many hours I'm (actually) working and how well I'm perceived by my peers and by management. This is unrelated to acute problems caused by errors on my part, or anything like that. I don't get it, but if I feel like I'm working hard I now take it as a very serious alarm bell. Some of my best feedback has come when I was starting to get nerv…

If you're working hard at a lot of places you're not getting noticed. If you spend more time talking to people (about work?) They think you're busy.

Sometimes the person who is fixing problems is seen as better than the one who is not - it's hard for people to tell which challenges are self inflicted.

Sometimes I think the way to get noticed is to spend money. Someone always has to approve your purchases so you get noticed. Sitting in your cube hammering out code, or design, or documentation isnt visible.

These things aren't optimal ways to measure effectiveness, but I think they all come into play.

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