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U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by CountDrewku »

Miner49er wrote: post #31
FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

I like Tik Tok. It's way better then any other social media out there; it doesn't have all the negativity other social media does. It's very positive, and has seemingly endless good content. I think it's likely better for a person's mental health then any other social media since it isn't fueled by negativity. I also don't think it's data collection is any worse then any other social media's. I don't see why I should…

The negative aspect is that it's a distracting time suck and causes addictive tendencies in young people that don't have fully matured brains yet.

>I also don't think it's data collection is any worse then any other social media's. I don't see why I should care that China has my data. I'm more scared of my own government having my data.

Because China is an authoritarian regime that commits genocide against its own citizens and has done multiple other atrocious inhumane things. You should be scared.

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Post by fma »

temp22334455 wrote: post #35

Many people believe disinformation spread on social media is a huge problem. Knowing this, is it really a good idea to give a CCP-controlled company direct access to the minds of our youngest generation?

I don't think it's a "belief" but a fact when we have all these conspiracy theories about the vaccine floating around.

1) Imagine if the US government was able to require social media or news sites to take down posts that spread disinformation about the vaccine. We'd be at herd immunity. But alas, an uneducated opinion about the vaccine is equally as important as a scientists with decades of experience in the field. It is a strength, and weakness of freedom of speech.

2) And now imagine that a foreign government can pump misinformation about the mRNA vaccine (China and Russia have been documented to do so) and shape opinions on any topic.

"A survey found that a quarter of adults 18-39 "definitely" won't get vaccinated." https://abcnews.go.com/Health/young-adult-vaccination-rate-l...)

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Post by aerosmile »

ectopod wrote: post #59
savant_penguin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression is that's really just a technicality though. If instead of a total ban imposed on these companies, the US imposed incredibly tough rules tailored for them but that applied to "all" foreigners that made it impossible for these companies to operate, the end result would be the same

But Chinese companies do have to comply with these rules. China cares about total surveillance more than they care about blocking foreign competitors.

American companies live and die by their users, Chinese companies live and die by the Chinese government. What if the US imposed a rule that every company operating in the US has to sign a public declaration criticizing the Tiananmen Square massacre? Not an issue for any company in the world except for the Chinese ones. Just because a rule applies to everyone equally doesn't mean that it's providing an equal playing field.

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Post by sumedh »

CountDrewku wrote: post #69

Can't say I'm surprised to see the Biden admin go this route. For all of Trump's faults at least he tried to stand up to the CCP. Biden folds like a cheap suit when confronted with any tough stance against the Russians or Chinese.

What did Trump do against Russia?

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Post by 0x0EB0DA10 »

bdcravens wrote: post #68
FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

> It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts are copies of TikTok, because Facebook and Google are much safer places to have our data sucked up.

I get Google because it aggregates data, but Facebook? Isn't Facebook supposed 'leaked data' actually within Facebook API Access that any big companies could get? Facebook was poorly responsible with its user data.

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Post by econnors »

CountDrewku wrote: post #70
sschueller wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how European's feel irregardless if the app is Chinese or American. All your data gets sucked up by some foreign nation (private industry or government, doesn't really matter).

Good, the difference is your government(s) actually make laws to stop this stuff. The US doesn't seem to give a shit.

U.S. brings the software, China brings the hardware, EU brings the regulation.

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Post by CountDrewku »

sumedh wrote: post #74
CountDrewku wrote: post #69

Can't say I'm surprised to see the Biden admin go this route. For all of Trump's faults at least he tried to stand up to the CCP. Biden folds like a cheap suit when confronted with any tough stance against the Russians or Chinese.

What did Trump do against Russia?

Did I say Trump did anything against Russia? It helps that his son didn't receive $3.5M from some Russian billionaire...

So nice of Biden to give Putin a free pass on the pipeline attack too. I'm sure Putin is just shaking in his boots from that stare down during their handshake.

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Post by helen___keller »

Good, the thought that my own country would try and block me from the one tool that allows easy communication to extended family in China is really just mindblowing.

No, china doesn't operate fairly. Yes, it sucks, and something should be done. But no, the answer isn't to turn around and punish your own citizens for it.

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Post by systemvoltage »

refurb wrote: post #58
nromiun wrote: post #8

> "China has been urging the U.S. side to respect market economy principles and international trade rules, to immediately stop stretching the concept of national security and stop wantonly abusing state power to suppress China's tech companies," spokesman Zhai Lijian said on Tuesday in Beijing. Ironic. I don't suppose they will allow Twitter, Facebook etc in China after this.

International diplomacy is not about doing what’s fair, it’s about doing what you can get away with. Talking about some principle your opponent isn’t adhering to while violating it at the same time is common place. It’s the same tactic as when China says “how dare the US criticize our actions when they have racial issues of their own”. Of course ignoring that the China human rights violation is official government po…

Well, the difference is that the US is openly addressing them while China is openly denying any wrong doing.
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