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Gmail now displays a splash/loading screen that reads "Google Workspace". Confused the heck out of me because I have a personal account with Google One for extra storage space, and a Google Workspace account for a managed domain for my startup.

Similarly disturbing, anything related to login seems to briefly hop-redirect through accounts.youtube.com at some point in the auth flow.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gmail, Google Maps, Google Docs All those were launched more than a decade ago, though.

And not really iterated on... Maps got slightly better but Gmail and GDoc were uh... not really refactored into better stuff

Maps was entirely rewritten to use WebGL and support 3D. Gmail had the entire backend rewritten to scale much larger, priority inbox and categories, rich content emails, auto suggest as you type. Docs was completely rewritten, and they're working on another rewrite using canvas. Spreadsheets was rewritten twice, and a huge number of excel features ported over.

It's true they don't overhaul the whole product every year, or make major UI adjustments, but a fair bit has changed in those products.

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This mostly skims over two additional issues that add whole additional dimensions to the mess that is Google's messaging services:

* How / whether you're allowed to integrate SMS / phone messages with web based chat (what we used to call instant messaging). E.g. can you get your text messages and voicemails on the computer? At some points you could, at some points you couldn't. At one point there was Google Voice, at another point Hangouts could do it, now you have to use the "Messages" app for texts, which is still relatively broken compared to either of the previous methods and doesn't support any kind of instant messaging.

* The different rules that apply if you're using Google Fi. For example, the Messages help page [1] says you can turn on "chat features", which lets you send messages over data and get other conveniences like read receipts and large photos (because they're not sent over MMS). But wait, if you use Google Fi, if you want to get messages and make calls on your computer (i.e. with your phone off), you have to disable chat features. You can't have both. [2] It's absolutely insane. This worked 100% correctly with Hangouts - perfect integration.

[1] https://support.google.com/messages/answer/7189714?hl=en

[2] https://support.google.com/fi/answer/6188337

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It hasn't been all that confusing to me. I was on Google Talk, then I switched to Hangouts, which I have been using with my family until about a month ago, we've since transitioned to the new Google Chat and it's been fine. I like that it works on every device just by logging in. I also use Signal if there's more confidential stuff I need to send. I haven't used SMS in years and I really hope they don't try to bake t…

> receiving codes

I wish that would stop. SMS is horribly insecure as a 2nd factor.

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There are two hard things in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, (and off-by-one errors....) I feel like naming things is something Apple works really hard on. And why they place so much emphasis on it in their keynotes, when they use the phrase "And we're calling it ..."

Apple-Tv apple-tv+ apple-tv-the-box...

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I tried so hard to integrate into the Google ecosystem. I had a Gmail account and Google Talk to start. Eventually an Android phone, on Project Fi, with Hangouts and SMS (so I could send SMS over the internet). I upgraded from Gmail to Inbox. Then when they ditched that for Allo and Duo I tried to switch to those. Then I lost SMS on my computer because it got removed from Hangouts. Then I tried to switch to Google vo…

What are you doing now for SMS? Google Voice alternatives are surprisingly thin on the ground.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Inbox just an email client? > chat.google.com is just aggressively worse in far too many ways, and will surely be killed circa 2024. I doubt it. Google Chat is Google's enterprise product offering like Microsoft's skype.

This comment is funny because Skype was killed in favour of Teams.

And Skype for Business was a rebranded/maybe-modified Lync... not sure whether that counts for more or less continuity.

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The author seems to have forgotten about YouTube Messages: https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/12446824/heads-up-...

I didn't even know this ever existed.

Wait till you find out that the new Google Pay app also doubles as a chat app.

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I tried so hard to integrate into the Google ecosystem. I had a Gmail account and Google Talk to start. Eventually an Android phone, on Project Fi, with Hangouts and SMS (so I could send SMS over the internet). I upgraded from Gmail to Inbox. Then when they ditched that for Allo and Duo I tried to switch to those. Then I lost SMS on my computer because it got removed from Hangouts. Then I tried to switch to Google vo…

I read this the Linkin Park way https://youtu.be/eVTXPUF4Oz4?t=53
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