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Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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We wouldn’t make applications. Rather we’d deliver components which could interoperate via a binary contract. Components would be “snapped” together by non-programmers to make an application. I suppose that pieces of this became true with the proliferation and adoption of open source. Rather than a binary protocol, HTTP came out on top. SharePoint brought us WebParts which tried to put the power in the hands of busin…

This is really interesting and reflected in some things like dreamweaver and Oracle Apex. I can actually see some of this happening in the crypto space. Things like MetaMask and now chainlink combining into some form of low code smart contract app tool. As you say though even in this scenario devs don’t go away.

Yes, it's very profitable for devs because you can just steal everyone's money, since the smart contract language was invented by people who did zero reading about safe program design.

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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A lot fewer ads. A lot more paid services. Personal identification via the internet would be more streamlined - basically government backed digital is cards. Windows would rule - more or less. Usenet and IRC would be things. The big issue was not understanding the importance of ads. Or the impact. We imagined the web would oriented towards machines talking to machines. But machines don’t consume ads. So APIs are seco…

Edit: some things we got right:

Java is a thing. Hypertext isn’t going anywhere. Open standards are … well … there.

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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I really believed computers would make people smarter, better informed, able to make more rational decisions. They'd understand and trust science more, make better political decisions. We even had a slogan for it: "computers are bicycles for the mind": https://www.brainpickings.org/2011/12/21/steve-jobs-bicycle-... I was so naive...

Reading too much science is actually common with anti-vaxxers and other such people, they love quoting renegade doctors and having absolute faith in arxiv papers they misread or quoted out of context.

Most published research is false even if it's peer-reviewed, and it may be better to leave it to people who read it full time and understand it's an ongoing conversation.

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're a programmer and in a first-world country I'm not sure I'd count you as one of the losers. I'm thinking of people in the gig-economy and workers at Amazon warehouses etc...

Stores/entertainment venues we've 'lost' (though they've found ways to survive sorta but diminished) that feel like real, societal level losses: pinball halls, arcades, bookstores, music stores. Tech was supposed to make the barrier to be a book author/musician much easier, and it has to an extent, but not without costs. Like would modern media be where it is if newspapers and magazines hadn't gone through the 00s-10…

Arcades are actually back with Round1. Newspapers never could've lived for long, they essentially survived on Rolex not being able to advertise straight to their own customers.

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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I was sure that money would be effectively eliminated by MLM (multilevel marketing) plus six-degrees-of-separation, aka affiliate networks.

I figured that once MLMs could be automated they would replace advertising. Folks would make money connecting each other to products and services through a kind of generic MLM network. Word-of-mouth on steroids. Heck, I still think it could work...

What else?

Flying cars, and flying cities (see Bucky's Cloud Nine), fusion power and atomic tools, robots that could wash dishes and do the laundry, factories that build and delivery whole houses (Bucky again: Dymaxion Home), arcologies (ecologically harmonious mega-cities designed and built as single buildings, Paolo Soleri), Moonbase ("Welcome to Moonbase" by Ben Bova), and those are just the plausible things, linear projections of the capabilities on hand. Not even talking about nanotech, longevity drugs, elctrogravity, etc.

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It's much easier to think of things that did happen that I never expected. The first major divergence was Twitter. I don't think anyone predicted Twitter. Then there's Facebook. If you could travel in time to, say, the 80's or a littler earlier and you tried to explain FB to people they would think you were stark raving mad. "Put every detail of your life in the hands of some corporation? A voluntary spy network beyond the wildest dreams of the Stasi or Gestapo? Yeah right." But here we are... I never thought JS would still be with us, let alone turd-polished to such a gloss. People spreading lies and misinformation, that's not what the internet was invented for. It was supposed to put the world's information at your finger tips, not be a mighty bullshit engine. "Phones" that excoriate minds, no one predicted that (except the Church of the Subgenius: the "white stone" came as prophesized.)

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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I started working as a VB dev in 1993 while studying for a cs degree. I can’t really remember any specific thoughts about the future tech, we were too busy literally inventing it. All I remember is this amazement at how most people still don’t realize computers would completely tranform the entire society, how easily solvable many problems are with some simple code. But also reading the Sprawl Trilogy (which has materialized in an uncanny fashion) and understanding the dangers. Our entire society (Estonia) was transforming and people generally were very hopeful for the future while working hard to get there.

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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I started working as a VB dev in 1993 while studying for a cs degree. I can’t really remember any specific thoughts about the future tech, we were too busy literally inventing it. All I remember is this amazement at how most people still don’t realize computers would completely tranform the entire society, how easily solvable many problems are with some simple code. But also reading the Sprawl Trilogy (which has mate…

What did you and colleagues invent?

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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I'm not so much thinking of the future, but the these are my memories of programming / computers as a teen of the 90s (vaguely in chronological order, but it was a while back, forgive me):

- Grey, so much grey. Backgrounds, buttons, shadows

- Marvel at my FrontPage geocities prowess.

- DHTML

- OS/2 is going to be huge! So much power to be able to multi task

- Eventually everyone will have an AOL account

- Eventually everyone will have a hotmail account

- Access will rule the world. Visual Basic. VBA. Gaudy block colorf UIs will be du jour

- OMG Java Applets ruling the world

- VRML will reduce the need to know html

- COM/COM+ is the future of programs transfering data between components

- Buying more machines and spreading the load, rather than bigger machines will be the way of the future

- Novell Groupwise vs MS Mail

- Netscape should just buy Microsoft

- Borland C/C++ was going to rule the world

- Drag and drop UI designers might someday not screw up at the faintest hint of advanced layout (and even might get fast eventually)

- Windows would "Beat" Macs

- Linux will eventually get to be mainstream (desktop)

- ColdFusion will be the fastest / most secure server product

- Having opinions on Lycos / Altavista / Yahoo Google

- Everyone will want to run their own home squid server to make things faster

- someday programs would be big enough to come on multiple disks

- someday programs would be big enough to come on multiple CDs

- Neuromancer / matrix / shadowrun style human computer interaction would come true in the 2000s

- Human computer interactions would tend towards mostly speech / audio rather than qwerty

- jQuery accordions will rule the world

- XHMTL will be the new hotness

- XML will save the world from incompatible data and save so much time

- Source control might someday not screw up XML / UI design files

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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Sometimes you can be right about a thing but wrong about about the timing, so much that you're wrong anyways. I resisted learning Javascript+HTML+CSS because I felt it was an awful hack and that it was just a very, weird GUI toolkit-- and something better would come along, and lets just learn that. Well, That something better was probably Silverlight and we all know what happened to that.

I still have dreams about being able to point a cell phone at a physical object (television, fast food restaurant, car etc), and being presented with an AR GUI that controls that device. I suspect this is where things will head with Apple's AR headset. This is not a new idea really... in the mid to late 90s there were specialty AR headsets which could read QR codes and look up schematics and overlay them for you, But it was literally, a 486 that sat on your head.

Other things that blindsided me... The current advances in AI. I worked at an AI lab in the late 1990s. Our pride and joy was a demo that could, given a dataset of 500 images, differentiate between a few classes of images... really simple stuff like, flowers, animals, landscapes, machines. The images were like 48x48 and it took weeks of training on a Sun Ultra workstation.

And this was an interesting lesson for me. To quote a friend of mine who was/is an AI researcher--"These are the same algorithms we used 25 year ago. It's the computation that has changed." He had an idea to make a botany app which could tell what kind of plant what was based on a picture of the leaves-- this was 12 years ago at least. I told him it was impossible because I couldn't fathom how it could work. But he was right of course and now I believe there are such apps.

Back at that university in 2000, I had an array of Sun A1000's-- like 70 disks in total to make 1TB of storage. It cost the university 250k. Today, I have about 100TB of storage at my house personally, and it cost me... 5k maybe? Similarly, my cheap graphics card has more power than every computer on earth before at least the mid 90s.

This is to say, when the SCALE of things change, your capabilities change a lot. This is something that worries me about Google/Apple etc. They have access to oceans of compute power/storage. How could a small company ever compete with that? I would like to get back into AI as I always found it fascinating-- but how can I even learn when access to resources like that cost billions of dollars? I can't even get a decent video card or RAM for my computer at the moment.

We also seem to be at the end of this era of ever-increasing capabilities. We will need a big breakthrough to keep up the pace, or we will have to get much better at using resources.

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I'm also very surprised by how little what I consider fundamentals of CS matter in the day-to-day. I probably had the last of the classical engineering educations-- full tour of calculus, physics, chemistry, partial tours of like EE, chip design, automata, relational algebra, to mention nothing of the humanities.

When I was a team lead at a large corp, the young folks would be impressed about how I would use an idea from another discipline to solve an engineering problem-- but I think the era of that kind of guy is over. I think what's important now is speed and loyalty. I watch in amusement as the JavaScript community discovers stuff that has been known to the wider world for decades.

Regarding loyalty-- I was raised with the Scientific mindset-- that our commitment was to the truth. A colleague of mine once worked for Sandia National Laboratories and he jokingly suggested that they falsify the results of an experiment-- and he was pulled aside and told something to the effect of, "We are scientists, we do not do that. Don't even joke about it."

I feel like that mindset is absent, even in science let alone business. The most important skill is loathing yourself while pretending that whatever bullshit, alternate version or reality your bosses boss is forcing on you is great.

This is something I could never adapt to. Working 60 hours weeks simply because of bad management. In my corporate gigs, it was always the same-- when a project went well it was because the manager did a good job. When a project went poorly-- it was because engineering fucked it up. I've worked on projects where 9 months out we warned management about XYZ. They ignored it, then blamed us when what we said was going to happen, happened. I think engineers are ill-equipped to defend themselves in these political environments.

In short, I never imagined most of my jov would be going to meetings and lobbying for common sense.

Re: Ask HN: 90s programmers, what did you expect the future of tech to look like?

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I used to work in the telecom world back then. I would have thought that by 2021 the meticulously-architected ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) standard would have replaced the ancient TCP/IP protocol. Nope. Then I would be wrong again, because I would have thought IPv6 would be everywhere...

I learned about bothTCP/IP and ARM in university, and my take-away was that ARM was specifically for phone calls, not data. Maybe that perception held it back.

Or maybe TCP/IP was simply too entrenched. Even IPv6 has been unable to replace IPv4.

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